Fastest 1st gen civic
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I HAVE AN 80' ACCORD WITH EL ENGINE 200.000KMS ON IT ,I JUST BOLTED AN EQUALLY OLD RAJAY TURBOCHARGER DRAUGHT THRU ,A WEBER 36 DCNF AN A 21/2"EXHAUST, NOW IS RUNNING 16.5 SEC AT 72MPH HERE IN BOGOTA 9000FEET ALTITUDE IM RUNNING 10 PSI ON 82 OCTANE RON GAS AND I FEEL ITS THE PERFECT ROAD MACHINE... BUT YOU GUYS ARE MEKING ME THING...MHHH MAYBE 18 PSI.... I TRY AND THEN I TELL YOU
"A ZC or even a B16A box with the bellhousing reconfigured for an EB series is the way to go. B16A boxes can handle in excess of 400hp without too much complaint. Quaife style LSDs are available and they can be picked up with cable clutches. Other than the bellhousing the other attachement points are pretty similar"
How much power could a ZC box handle? Would the B16 box need custom driveshafts?
awsome,
found it...
Is there a way to have a direct link to this thread from the First Gen Forum page?
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Felipe, it looks like your master cylinder has a single reservoir, and you have manual brakes. The round thing that sits between the firewall and master cylinder is a booster to make the pedal easier to push. It's not really necessary on smaller cars, but it comes in handy on full size cars. I'm not really sure what the difference between the single and dual reservoir master cylinders really is, but I'm guessing that the dual reservoirs are to keep the front and rear braking systems seperate.
well guys...can somebody help me with my doubt? about the brake system¡?
Oh god, three posts in a row 
Sorry guys but i thuoght i better put this up for Glenn. Just reading an article on intercooling adn I'm not sure if you were thinking of it or not, but this problem had never occured to me:
"Intercoolers are not recommended for draw-through turbo systems. Not only is fuel condensation and separation a problem, but you also wouldn't want to backfire into a cooler and ducting filled with pressurised fuel and air."
Sounds like it would be fun to watch from the sideline, but i wouldnt want to get too close. Actually, i think i have a few spare engines/turbos/intercoolers. That could be a fun weekend project...
Mick:
I quite agree with Glenn's theory on engine building! I am averaging about 1 a month!!!
Glen:
Only just noticed your comment from a while back. It was joke man, sorry
Currenty none of my first gens even DRIVE so I wasnt trying to be critical...
Glenn,
I advised Angus to go with something much stronger. I had a civic 5 speed box with custom gears all treated etc but even that would be pushing to hold the power that the motor in Angus' car is making. That cost 5 grand to make and still had the typical baby input shaft typical of the E series boxes. The ES/ET had a larger input shaft so probably did the EW though I cant be sure on that. Either way they don't fit the EB/EN/EJ/EK/EP/ER etc blocks.
The city turbo box is no stronger than a typical non turbo box. And a week after I rebuilt Angus's city to make 134hp at the wheels it spat out the stock turbo 2 box. The turbo 2 box does not fit the EB motor though either.
A ZC or even a B16A box with the bellhousing reconfigured for an EB series is the way to go. B16A boxes can handle in excess of 400hp without too much complaint. Quaife style LSDs are available and they can be picked up with cable clutches. Other than the bellhousing the other attachement points are pretty similar.
Dellow or someone similar should be able to match a B16A box to just about any of the Honda motors. And it will offer a bomb proof solution. Then it will be on to the next weakest part.
sorry but the pic is old the engine now looks pretty clean...
guys a question i have noticed that angus and glenn have the same brake system that i have...im attaching this pic so you can see it...this means that my civic is not a 77? please help im very confused....
felipe
the turbo isnt actually connected @ the moment, so i havent hooked up any cooling for the turbo, i was sitting the turbo on so i could see if the bonnet will fit or not
The turbo doesnt fit under the bonnt so i will have to make up a little fiberglass scoop
Adrian
I think what your saying is very interesting, an EB can be taken out to 1500cc ? mmm i would imagine that your 1410cc is more reliable in the end, i think out of all the honda civics i have seen that yours is still 1 of the best, although i do like angus's car very much
Do you think that the accord box is any stronger? or should i tell him that the city turbo box is better ?
I don't recall Wayne ever mentioning boring one out to 75, but he's tried just about everything so I wouldn't put it past him. The engine in his current motorkhana special is an EB with a 1500 crank and I think 74mm bore, not certain about the bore though. It's got some serious torque ... but then it's also only draging around a 'car' weighing only a couple of hundred kg 
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Glenn,
Everyone on the forum is entitled to an opinion and Colza is one of them, as is yourself. If you ask around I'm sure you'll find quite a lot of people who don't agree with your theory on engine building. (ie run it at max until it blows then get another for $100).
A wise man once told me "opinions are like Ars#*&les, everyones' got one"
I don't think Colza was being critical, he was just enquiring about something that he obvously hasn't seen before. All of us at one stage have been in that same postion.
Adrian, I seem to remember that W.Griffiths once ran a RS motor at 75mm bore to get closer to the 1500 mark. He said it had terrible reliability an all sorts of other problems so they went back to 74mm. Was I wrong or is it possible.He said it made good torque and power.
Cheers, Mick.
I's possible to get an EB engine out to nearly 1500cc with 74mm pistons (about the max you can go in an EB block before the cylinder walls get too thin) and a 1500 crank. It is however not easy or cheap as you need to get the crank journals gound down and then re-nitrided which is an expensive operation to do properly. You end up with a motor with bags or torque.
but glenn....i note that your turbo isn´t cooled even by water...so how can you drive around town? the things should put very hot then...and i don´t see an intercooler....anyway your civic is GREAT!
Colza
i think your being very critical on this forum and on the honda city turbo forum about people who are doing modifications to there car, ur negative feedback is not aiding the construction of any fast honda civics and it would be greatly appreciated if you would keep your comments 2 your self
chris elder
i thought that the maximum that an eb2 could be taken out to is 1410cc and i think adrian frankel is the person who i have seen with this setup
Oh and just for an update angus gave me a call 2day and said that he shattered his gearbox, i give him the advice that an accord 81 model gearbox would fit but im not sure if his LSD from the EB box will fit......... can n e 1 help me ?
oh and by the way, all the internals of my motor are absolutely completely standard
74mm...
is his block a 1200? (EB1)
im trying to think how many mm mine would be
i think it might be 75.. i dunno
all i know is that it has been bored up to 1390cc or something.
Do you think boring out the block that much would significantly reduce the durability / reliability of the engine?
I'm able to get a crank that would increase the stroke up to around 1600cc (including the bore increase)... but I dont think I will use it.
Yeah it it is bored out to 74mm! It also has 1335 crank but the block is still EB.
Oh, Richard, it also has forged Cosworth pistons and Argo rods. But it ran for 8-10 years in various guises with stock rods (and rod bolts) without having the head removed during the time(stock head bolts too).
This may be a dumb question, but aren't the engine components in a 1200 a little weak for 20 pounds of boost?
-Richard
haha, yeah i know he's talking about an original honda motor, i was just playing around with him because he wrote original in caps...
so it was like his car was totally original..
just mucking around. heh.
has angus or glenn done any bore increase with their blocks? (even though they wouldnt really need to with the turbo they've got)
I think he means original engine because that car, turbo or otherwise, is still powered by the venerable EB motor. It is a big ask to go from 35hp at the wheels to 189hp at the wheels (current dyno figures) on the original 1200 block.
You got enough exhaust wrap in there mate? Not to mention oil line wrap too!!!
"Well I think I can say that I have one of the fastest ORIGINAL engine 1st Gen Civic...
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I love you car Angus, but... lol
since when is your car original?
that engine bay doesnt look too original to me?
heh
yes its 'powered by honda'...
but its also
'powered by approx. 20psi thanks to a turbo' =P
spraying is all being done in my garage
we are using the same paint for the outside
just done all the door trims and inside of bonnet, rear hatch, now i can put the interior 2gether and then spray the outside this week some time
when i was @ the paint shop i mixd up the colour with the shop owner, took us 45mins to reach an agreement on the colour, they are really happy with how it has turned out so far
Ahh, i see. Love that shade of purple man! What colour for the outside? What sort of spraying facitlities do you have?
it is draw through carby not blow through
it will run that pressure as the turbo is sucking air through the carby ( doing what a carby is designed to do just more efficiently)
hopefully i will do a bit more spraying 2night and get those pics up as well
check out my site
www.members.optusnet.com.au/biscan
i got some new videos and stuff like that
I must say i fail to see how you can possibly hope to get the carby to run at 30psi, there is no way it will have been designed for that!
purple eh? lol i guess the turbo isnt going to be intercooled...
it does look purdy up there on top though!!
here are the new pics of the honda after half of the rebuild
our car is also going to cost under $2000 to make hehehehe
so we are on a tight budget
Well I think I can say that I have one of the fastest ORIGINAL engine 1st Gen Civic and it is also 100% street legal. It is not really a drag car as it is built for circuit work.
I have just increased the exhaust size to 3" and installed an electronic boost controller. I hope to run a max of 20psi. I am racing again on the 5th April. Will keep you all posted.
Angus
p.s.
Good luck Glen with your wild civic.
DROOOOL
Big Block powered Civic, huh...
That is just WAY wrong!
And I LOVE EVERY BIT OF IT!!
Like a cartoon on four wheels.
There's no way I could ever handle a car like that. Nice to look at, though!
Regards,
Shea
mmm that looks like a really fast civic
427 is a big motor
hell i was thinking about a 308 b4 but i decided that you loose 2 much character if you take off too many parts
i wish i knew how to post pictures on here...i'd show you guys the first gen civic that races here. i think it qualifies as the one of the fastest "first gen civics"...it's got a chevy 427 with two stage nitrous and runs low 5's 1/8th mile...here's the link to my mustang pictures, i've also got a few of the civic (hope to get some of my civic soon) http://www.mustangforums.com/albumphoto.asp?albumid=2&asortType=1&apage=3
another possibility is that i do a little testing and create a small LED display that works on the change in voltage of the sensor
thus telling me how lean it is, lights are easyer to notice
there will only be 1 gauge in the entire car and this is the A/F ratio meter
and when we get that sorted out there will be a tacho as well
so not too much to keep an eye on
you got it adrian
thats exactly what i plan on doing
A lambda sensor will tell you roughly what the a/f ratio is at any particular time but that's all it'll do. If it suddenly leans out at 6500 rpm your mixture meter might tell you that but it's up to you to pay attention to it and make appropriate right foot adjustments.
well i am expecting it to blow
but the car is only going to be running for a few minutes @ a time
and only has to make 1 very fast pass for me to be happy
but we are using a lamder sensor ( spelling ) to make sure the car doesnt lean out
i cant see that there will be any real problem if the car never leans out
if the motor blows i will just get another 1
I doubt there will be any IF about it ... more like WHEN.
didnt find a turbo setup for an EL
but i found a Rayjay carby turbo setup for an EB motor
we are adapting the turbo using a bit of tig welding and changing the jets on the carby
if the motor blows i will just get another 1
they cost me $100 each @ the moment, cheaper than a rebuild
Where is the world did you find a rayjay turbo set up for an EL?
You sure that thing will handle 20-30psi with stock internals, or, when you blow it up sell me the turbo set up for my EL
Can't wait for the pics...get some close ups of the motor/turbo
i might be in the running for the fastest first gen down the 1/4 mile soon
civic 1200 stripped to minium weight
EL 1600 motor
rayjay 302b turbo
tial 38mm external wastegate
36mm mikuni carb
water/methanol injection ( injectronic controller )
welded diff with 4spd from 1976 civic
greedy clutch from city turbo
standard internals
and hopefully somewhere around 20-30psi of boost
we are doing everything except the turbo rebuild, which was done @ a workshop
no digital camera @ the moment, but hope soon i can get some pics up
running 225 tires on the front and 145 rear
suspesion is getting done in house, removing some of the weight from the setup
can see some videos of the car in action before the rebuild @
www.performancevids.com
hi guys
My name is ben i live in adelaide SA and ive got a 1200 76 honda civic with a few mods like exaust and air filter but a very huge stereo so i was wondering if any of u guys can help me out on getting a new carb or weber and some more engine mods please give me a email back cos dont no too much detailes about it and stu88y verry impresed and mate that is a sick car can u send me some pics to my email
haha, i found out im getting an eb3 with my car now... and im thinking it'd be a good opportunity to work on a turbo motor while im running the performance NA.... but if the eb3 isnt a good idea, id like to go rotary ;p
because a turbo is free power, just using waste gases to make more power
so why not spend sum cash on getting a good setup then u can throw motors out like they r going out of fashion :D
wow, somebody is going big. :S
but what is with people resorting to turbo???
(haha id go turbo too if i had enough money)
but yeah uhhh.... u guys just ... NEED the turbo! yeah.... thats what!
Good luck getting that setup to hold together.
chris i have 6 motors in my garage, 1 is a NA eb3, eb1s, eb2s, city turbo motors EL motor
i will be using the NA eb3 motor but putting a turbo setup onto it
4spd gearbox with welded diff, carby turbo setup with a 36mm mikuni hanging out of the bonnet ( supposed to shoot flames on deceleration)
hoping this will push me past angus
oh and the turbo, well it is fukn massive and should spool up quick 2, thanks to some handy engineering by the people over @ rayjay
glenn, r u trying to tell me that this EB3 is NA?
and it may give Angus a run 4 his money?
or is this EB3 another forced induction car?
and wats so special about this induction setup? =p
wow... questions.
ok every1 here is the latest news
the honda is coming out in EB3 form , with a special induction setup that has otherwise never been used, it should be ready for the 18th feb street meet
oh and i will be going for sum drastically lower ET's than previously attempted..... hope the car is ready i will give further infomation as time proceeds
oh and angus, im hoping to give u a bit of a run for your money
i wanna get my car up and running already...
biscan... im thinking.... i would like to race you in your NA civic =P....
i think id have a good chance in the finished product... but GRRR im doing too much talking.
It'll be ages before i get the damn car
angus the city turbo powered honda is in the garage @ the moment
but if i can get the eb1 honda with the webber and extractors out ill race u again
will really flog me this time though
lol
silly NA civics are 2 slow
lol
17.2 is what i need to beat from this car last time sept it was an eb2 then
Hi Chris,
No floating on the track. It is very smooth and flat.
I have Koni adjustable shocks. They were set for full hard. The car does not bounce at all when it is like that. Only good for the track. Bad for the street (floats all over the place).
When they are set to full soft or half way that is great for the street (no floating).
I am racing again on Wednesday night with my new slicks. Yee ha.
Angus
angus to you float on the track when you shift? what is your suspension set up like?
Hi Guys,
I just ordered myself a set of 185/575/13 slicks. Same height as my 195/50/15 tyres. This gives me a huge side wall and tones of grip.
Going to try and race again next Wednesday at the Creek.
After the run the Civic finally goes in for bigger injectors and the boost I really want to run (24psi). No more injector limited 18psi.
Ray Hall Turbocharging built my turbo and said it is good for up to 40psi (Wow).
Will update after my next race.
Angus
of course, of course... long time member.
Ken ... yes.
when i get my car, ill follow the tradition. :P
Am I think of the correct Elders? Your dad is Ken isn't he ... been a member of the Honda Club since the year dot?
cow-pat living in the back corner?
the head has not been modified since casting i dont think, so the results that you can see is before any skimming or anything.
yes, the pistons are definately custom.
the camshaft will need to be machined a little further. (not a good job supposedly)
I'm just annoyed because my dad thinks there is "nothing" for me to do until we get the car
- he wants to clean the garage and make his flowbench... yeah... that'll happen in 10 years.
oh well, keep on posting guys, and I would like to see everyones cars. Especially those who live in New south wales - that way i know what my car will be up against
Looks like a Mugen head to me. Basically an RS or EB3 casting with heaps of porting and chamber mods done to it. Yes, looks like it has been skimmed heaps ... I'd say about 4mm ... it'll need a bit more taken off to get rid of that surface corrosion. Those pistons definitely look like some custom jobs that Ken or Gary Cook thought up at some point (am I right?). The cam looks like about an R1.
The Elder garage is reputed to have a host of interesting things living in it (I assume I'm thinking of the correct Elder garage with the cow-pat living in the back corner ).
Those are definately not Goldwing pistons. Very custom. It looks like a RS head to me, though I've never seen a Mugen head. The one thing that does stick out is that the head has been skimmed...A LOT. Whatever you do, don't let that thing get hot once its done! Wow, those cam lobes are almost round! That thing'll probably turn 9000rpm.
On second look, those exhaust ports are huge, and the chamber is shaped differently that heads I've seen. It may indeed be a Mugen. Adrian?
i found all that gear in my dads garage ;) it has been sitting there for 20+ years...
Dad told me it was Mugen.. it looks quite similar to the head that Adrian Frankel has (BELOW)... I had a look at the Ports and they appeared to be larger than standard head (without any modifications)... So I would put foward the question of it being an EB3 head to him and see what he says.
As for the pistons, he told me they were custom? lol, but it all depends how much "custom he means"... if custom is CUSTOM or pulled out of goldwing.
Camshaft holder = Cam-cover / tapet cover? (the black and metal cross grill thingy).... unfortunately i dont have it, i asked him whether he had it because i myself too was looking forward to seeing Mugen in bold letters, but he said no - so i guess ill be using a standard cover that ill polish / chrome plate or spray ... etc.
What makes that a Mugen head?It looks like a regular EB3 to me.Do you have the matching camshaft holder for that head?What pistons are those?Goldwing?
were did you find all that gear chris
i just ran a 14.5 @ 89mph
and i think there is still a little left in the honda
poor thing must want to die on 22psi
wah, sorry about the size guys... :S they didnt look big in the folder :S oh well, ill know for next time
so there is the setup...
old recaro seats
bored out block
mugen head
(which will also be bored out probably)
etc.
Ummmm yeah.
lol sorry about the size, once again. ARG SO BIG!
Hey, I just got some photos of some of the parts I'll be using in my engine... yeah.
Nice and rusty... aged 20-30 years in garage... just the way i like it.
A little porting, polishing and cleaning would do the trick though.
The new track is awesome. Very smooth but a bit slippery. I think once it has been used more it will be much better.
Cost is $40 to race your car. We started over 1.5 hours late due to the bloody rain but we still got 4 runs in. This was bloody good. The old track would only have allowed us to have 2 runs I think.
Thanks to every one who came to the track to say hello.
Angus
awww! i couldnt make it to the track.
How is the new track anyway? Is it good?
How much is it to run your car there, and how many goes to u get? :P
o ok sorry but on the net it is very hard to judge tone
and angus's car wasnt made for straight line stuff either but certainly does well on the straights
Mate, I was only joking! Anybody could see that Rodeo had plenty of herbs under the bonnet.
When I eventually get my car going again I know Angus' car will blow it away in a straight line. It is not and never was designed for drag racing. It's built for going around corners.
Adrian im sure that rodeo would have given your car a bit more of a scare than wot it did angus.
fix up ur camber problem and take ur car down the track. Give it a go, worst thing that can happen is you run a slow time
PS i live @ 6000ft elevation and race @ sea level.
As long as it hooks up, i'll be good to go
Charles you don't know me to well =) i cheat i don't count mods to the tranny as "HP/TQ" gainers..i.e 8lbs fly wheels, LSD, ACT 4 puck, drag radials....which really pisses people off...but its not apart of the equation.
I average .6 reaction time...plus the car has not been through any gutting yet and thats going to be the fun part....COLBY was selling that one peice then backed out of it and put it on his colt for some odd reason...it was going to be used.
I hate to be the asshole all the time, but talking about imaginary cars and their 1/4 mile times is ridiculous! Quarter mile times are specific to a time, place and conditions. There are too many varibles to take into account, especially when you live on the other side of the earth! 
Hi Chris,
I don't want to be the bearer of bad news but there is no way a standard B16A with exhaust is going to run 12s in a first gen civic. A b16A engined civic would be a lot of fun however but a 12 sec quarter in a FWD is bloody fast. If you get the B16A up to around 200+hp at the fly then you will be talking high 12s.
Don't get me wrong, B16As are my favourite motor but you will need more than an exhaust.
hi all my civic is still running the standard engine i have my new one here with me but it is not finished yet all that has been done is it is now bored out to a 1.4 i hope to get 100hp out of it it wont be as fast as all of yours but in westren australia maybe im not sure but so i wont say to much , just so long as it scares holden comodores and who know i might even give it a run at the new quinana quit motorplex in perth any ways my civic is on cardomain .com if u want to have a look http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/449394
Good one Adrian. The bloody dual cab rodeo you are talking about had 406HP at the wheels and has run a best time of 12.2 so I was quote happy being even close. ha ha ha.
Angus
... but to get beaten by a dual cab Rodeo ute ... how embarrasing .
Angus you have given me hope that the b16 will break 12's w/ little to no mods except the needed exhaust. I really hate the idea of going vtec, might try a b20 first. I'm aiming for all motor, i'm a big fan of individual TB's and flywheel gains, yet @ the same time i have ample amount of supplies to make my own turbo manifolds and turbos laying around to go that route.
Keep it up! see ya @ the track
Hi Every one. The best time I could manage on Goodyear Eagle tyres was 13.3@110MPH. This is the best MPH I have ever run but traction is my biggest issue now. I am going back to the Dunlop Type R street Legal slicks for much better grip.
Will let you all know how I go when I race again in a couple of weeks. I was still happy with the times on the standard road tyres.
Cheers
Angus
Nice work Glenn, good mph. Not bad considering the investment! How did Angus go?
done a 15.031 @ 90mph last nigh
just couldnt crack the 14sec barrier
after some new rings and more boost hope i can get low 14's
hey hey! angus my friend nicolas contact you? i hope so
The honda is stripped
it is a beautiful day in sydney australia
I am going to post a 14-15 sec pass
Angus is going to try and take out the Australian FWD record of 12.7 and i think he will smash it
might have incar footage of angus smashing me with his awesome pass down the 1/4
Goodluck angus i hope u get it man
Western sydney international dragway
in sydneys western suburbs ( Eastern Creek )
starts @ 5pm be there 4:40 if u want to watch angus and i's first race
hi guys i also wanna know in which part of australia and what time this event will be because a friend of mine is there and he wants to go!!! and record angus civic!
I was wondering why there were threaded holes back there. Here in North America they just used the lap belts and capped those upper holes off with plastic caps.
Kurt
i got plenty of rear seatbelts in good condition how many u after?
Could any of you boys from Australia take some photos of the rear seatbelt assemblies and their attachment points and post them up here? Also, does anyone have a spare set of black ones they would like to sell? I would be very interested.
Thanks,
Colin
yes WSID WILL BE OPEN
and im racing there on the 21st of jan
it will be the first ever meet and the biggest ever front wheel drive burnout
21st of january...
what time
where
etc... dont tell me WSID cause thats not open till feb is it.
i dunno
just standard seat belts all round
Glen put some shoes on, JK, what seat belts are you using for the rear shoulder style?
chris i hope your coming down to watch on the 21st of jan
angus and i will both be competiting on the night
u wait... after my NA engine is blown (WHEN I GET THE PROPER ONE IN)... when it blows, im gonna go rotary and convert to AWD...
YEAH ... in like.... 5-10 years! haha
my dad'll do it ;) all good.
Ps. excuse the swearing, i just jealous of turbo civics!
damn, i hate you glenn.
GRRR fuckin turbo civic, no luck for me now in my NATURAL ASPIRATED CIVIC.
here is the civic angus is racing against on wed 21st hehehehe
Hey Angus, what are you doing on here? ... your work said you were off sick today ;).
I don't know the part numbers as I just went to FibreMaster and they brought a set out and fitted them. You will have to call FibreMaster directly or email them and ask what they put on my car.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
Angus
Angus, those flares look great. Can you tell me which of these items you bought that fit on your civic. Looks like there are a few different sets for the Gemini. Thanks.
GMTEFL-01 Gemini TE-TF-TG (1980-1985) Flares - ZZ style - 2 door (set of 4)
GMTEFL-02 Gemini TE-TF-TG (1980-1985) Flares - ZZ style - 4 door (set of 4)
GMTXFL-00 Gemini TX-TC-TD (1975-1979) Flares (set of 4)
Angus,
Went to summer nats to see you in the go to whoa, but couldn't find you. Did you go in the end? Would love to see it in the flesh again, do the rear gaurds rub at all in tight cornering with the additional offset?
Cheers,
Charles
They are Holden Gemini flares. See the info I wrote below the photo. The wider and taller wheels help a great deal with grip. The flares are still available from www.Fibremaster.com.au.
Talk to you all after I have run it down the quarter mile on 21/01/04.
Angus
John:
The flares that Angus used are most likely from a Holden Gemini.
You can learn a bit about the cars at this site:
Holden Gemini
I think those wheels and flares really take away from the "Sleeper Look" They must aid performance though.Your car is sweet Angus.
Well,
Just goes to show Abraham Lincoln was right...
You can please some of the people some of the time...
Personally I like the changes, they definitely update the image. Just out of curiousity, how much do those flares cost? Are they still available? Can you buy the fronts and the rears separately? Are they designed as a direct bolt on to these Civics, or are they a generic kit and need to be modified?
sorry angus but im not a real fan of the new wheels
i think they are dreadful as are the flares
but everything else u have done is totally awesome and i hope u keep it up
That looks absolutely great Angus - great inspiration. And you know, I never even noticed the extra slots in the hood in the earlier posts.
- Kurt
Hi Guys,
Well the Civic is finished.
170Hp at the wheels on 18psi boost. Boost is only limited by my injectors being maxed out. One day I will change the injectors and up the boost. I want to see what I do down the quarter mile first.
I have also added a set of 195/50/15" Rims and tyres. Gets off the line much better now. Also cruises on the freeway much better as well.
It has a set of Gemini flares.
Hope you like the new look ???
Angus
\Civic With Flares{}
hey Mathew...
your car sounds like my future car.
It's a late 70's Silver honda civic.. which will have an (EB1) engine that has been bored out to just under 1400cc (1180 bored to 1390) i think?
Oh yeah, and we both wanna have a Naturally Aspirated commadore beater.
Good luck to ya mate... keep up your work and dont forget to put your life into it!
oh yeah i saw this civic once...
just look at the exterior modifications done...
has to be a fast car... it looks so fast.
hey angus i have my civic on www.cardomain.com
it is a free site and u can put your civic on there its a really good site check it out www.cardomain.com
hey angus i first saw your civic in zoom and man i am impressed. I have a 1978 civic it is my first car i have a spare engine that has been bored out to allmost 1400cc and am wanting to modifie it without turboing it just yrt at least. I know you bought the civic like that but thought u must have more of an idea than me my ultimate goal would be to make my civic a commodore beater coz im am sick of the norm.
if u dont mind me asking how much did your stu-88y civic cost , i would like to get an idea for what im in for thaks alot get back to me at civicracer_64@msn.com thanks
mat gorman
Zippy,
Blue lines-High boost tune, Red lines-low boost tune.
Top graph, turbo Boost pressure in psi (LHS) the high lines, Air Fuel Ratio (RHS) the bottom lines. Speed on bottom axis.
Bottom Graph, Power and Torque VS speed
Charles,
Yeah managed to find my way back up to the tropics. Just moved back here from Albury Wadonga where we were living for a year or so. Can't stand the cold any more, after growing up in Canberra (how do you do it), and missed the fishing too much.
Have a little rug rat too now.
Still hooked on old civs, tried an EW for a while and just couldn't get motivated to modify it so I jumped back in to a gen 1.
Take it easy
Would you please explain what the four lines on each of the graphs represent. Are they different gears? If so why do the all show the same maximum velocity? Or, is the velocity scale actually an RPM scale and if so what is your redline?
It's nice to see your project come to a successful conclusion. Congrats.
As promised here are my Dyno figures on 18psi.
Regards
Angus
Emlyn,
How are you mate? Still hanging around the far North, seems like an age since I left that note on your little purple civic! Good to know you are still about.
Hi Guys,
Glad you all like my little Civic. Yesterday it got a set of flared guards and in the next few days they will be painted white to match the car. On Saturday my new 195/50/15" rims and tyres go on. Can't wait. Will post pictures as soon as it is done.
Current Races:-
Raced a worked Gen III Commodore Ute the other night. Beat him 3 times by heaps. He couldn't believe it. ha ha ha.
Also raced a Nissan Skyline GTST with 220rwkw. He said he should be good for low 12's so I was a bit worried but I also beat him by many car lengths as well. I was very pleased. The car really goes hard now. I love it.
Also raced off the lights a 200SX with big front mount and huge exhaust. Killed him as well. The Driver would not look at me at all at the next set of lights. ha ha ha.
As you can see I have heaps of fun in this car.
I am entered into the Go to Whoa at the Summernats so if you are there come over and say hello.
Talk to you all later.
Angus
thanks emo yeah peter is the guy im talking about he seems like a real ideas man with the way he operated i beleive he was an aeronautical engineer and did some serious techo testing on that little beast i called it stubby cause those plates are now on the gen 1 civ well they are in zoom anyway any way have you ran a time yet angus dieing to know what we all have to beat. ps more war stories on smashing dicks on the street with the car love to hear them, especially the hillbillys in there v8s
Charles,
No it was me that was raving about the turbo civic, the (little) history I know of it I told mick about. He has been really interested in Peters build up and attention to detail in creating that little monster! Goes to show a lot of fun can be had when a little passion is involved.
Hey Micko,
Not sure who you are talking about in reference to the previous owner of stubby (stu88y is actually Angus' original car, a hot 200hp city turbo 11 that still hides in his garage). Someone looking for a bargain should start hassling him about that one, geez it has had some work done to it!
Anyway, there were only two previous owners of Angus' civic, Peter Dugan and myself. Peter passed away about 4 yrs ago so I am not sure who you are refering to?
Cheers,
Charles
thanx charles that was pretty comprehensive ive seen the track that it holds the track record at in townsville (just around the corner ) im the proud owner of a stock 4dr and i love it to bits ,one day it to will fly .got alot of the details of the dude who originally owened stubby from another friend ,he is more crazy abouts civs than i am and actually talked me into getting one whilst down at trade school its a beaut canberra car owened by old people and originally by a phychiatric centre in sydney ive got the full history and it came with •••• loads ofspares and cost me $1200 dollars found it on e bay . some dude in the ststes told the old girl he would buy it and was going to ship it to the states to build a drag car i think any way igot in first showed them the cash and cut his grass anyway enough •••• get that car into the 11s now hey
i love reading this post makes me happy mine will be mounted in the next 2 weeks
oh and im hoping to hav incar footage for everyone from angus's car if he lets me put the gear in
should be some seriously good racing
new track has first street meet on 7th jan i will be there and hopfully angus. mayb we can race against each other with angus obviously going to beat my ass good
hehehe
A stock SB civic came out with 55hp, around 37hp @ the wheels on a dyno. This thing now has 169hp @ the wheels, only 4.5 times as much power as stock.
As a comparison, a very healthy B16A engined car with heavy mods (cams, compression and bolt ons) produces 122hp @ the wheels (based on Australian dyno calibration).
i REALLY have to see this car...
when the new dragstrip out Western Sydney opens, you will have to tell us all when you are planning to run it!
you have some really impressive numbers there..
I can't wait to hear the track numbers - or see them.
The question won't be- will you now get into 12's, it will be how far into the 12's?
Well my Honda is finally run in and going hard. I can only run 18psi as my injectors are maxed out. At 18psi I have 123Kw at the Wheels. I will post Dyno graphs soon.
What is it like to drive:-
Well on low boost 10-11psi I can beat most cars on the road. But on 18psi it is a beast. More power than I need. At 100kph in 3rd gear I can push the accelerator down and spin the wheels. It now revs to 7500rpm.
I recently raced a Gen III Commodore and beat him on only low boost. I also raced the latest M3 BMW and killed it as well. The man driving the M3 was very upset getting beaten by a little Civic. ha ha ha.
More mods to come:
One day I will change the injectors and upgrade the Motec computer and increase boost to 20-
25psi.
I am currently trying to fit 15" Rims with 195/50/15 Dunlop Formula R tyres. Not sure if they will fit yet. Will let you all know.
See Ya
Angus
eastern creek is finishd now
have to wait for the new track
hopefully i should have all my project cars finished...
got the huge garage going up very soon so will be no worries once it is all complete
just got no where 2 work on the things right now
Glenn, what have you done to your civic? manual or still 2 speed auto?
I think when I get my civic up and running we should have a run at the creek.
Chris,
Just about everything is custom. The phantom grip isn't a true LSD but it was the best available to Angus the last time the box was pulled out. The original gearbox (custom very close ratio) with a torsen LSD is in a certain racing civic in the States that wears a rising sun flag (Adam Malley). As soon as another one of those diffs is available I am sure Angus will be keen to purchase. These are made in Australia and are a full billet item.
The pistons are Cosworth blanks machined to size by special piston services in Melb.
Rods only need replacing if you are going mental like Angus. The stock treated EN rods as seen against Argo rods held up fine at 15psi and 7200rpm with Stock bolts! Angus has given you the details of the new rods (crower have off the shelf 1200 rods also).
Manifolding was all custom as is fuel supply as is suspension (Koni yellows put together by Proven (NSW)), custom sway bars exhaust, one off turbo supplied by Ray Hall with custom exhaust housing supplied by Garret Japan as prototype.
Perspex windows made up by an aircraft window manufacturer (you have to supply full original glass).
ECU is aftermarket, the motec 2D is pretty old now and even the base level EMS, Haltech etc are more advanced.
Stock stationwagon driveshafts and CVs have held up without complaint.
Custom discs and modified commodore calipers up front. Rear standard drums are very capable for the weight they deal with. Angus' have been machined oversize and slotted with oversize pads. Don't waste money where you don't need to.
Headwork
Rear mounted battery with shock sensor killswitch
The list goes on and on. The car was devel,oped over a period of 12 years by a guy named Peter Duggan who I was good friends with. Peter passed away from cancer and I put the beast back together for him so he would get one last spin in the finished format. I then bought and owned it for a year where it was a daily driver and fixed niggling problems. The motor was together for over 8 years in its current format until the fateful day at Wakefeild park. It will be back bigger and better and I can only say I wince when I think of the drivetrain with slicks behind them(but Angus has beefed this up even more in the quest for up to 200hp @ the wheels which with this motor is a realistic target and only 60hp over the stock rod tune).
Best of luck Angus!
To build something like this be prepared to sink in a lot of development $$ and time. This car with Peter driving held track records in Cairns and with Angus' continuing motorsport enthusiasm will dominate it's class in many fields (drag/hillclimb/circuit). Remember this was built as a circuit car and just happens to serve drag duty if and when Angus gets the whim.
P.S - i AM located in Sydney, Australia
and i DO have a car, and engine lined up, im just looking for extras
Angus, AND Charles...
I was wondering if you could help me out with any information on where abouts you aquired certain 'performance' parts for this 13 second beast :P
I will soon be getting a civic and even though I have an engine for it, I would also like to know about other available parts... the LSD is one particular item i'd like to get hold of...
please email me at rex_22b@hotmail.com with any relevent information (if its not too out of your way)
Thanks, and good luck with the 12's pass...
Ask Charles below as I purchased the car from him. The best money ever spent I think.
Thanks Charles.
The car goes on the Dyno tomorrow morning. I will post more info after the Dyno run.
See ya
Angus
just seen the car in zoom sweet,but we no you didnt build it how about some details on that genius who built it and some history
Nice work Angus. Hope it all goes well. You should be able to take tomorrow off and get that 300kms in a day (trip to wakefield and back). Dyno tommorrow night and let us all know the result on Wed morning!
My Civic is finally finished. I am collecting it from the mechanic tomorrow morning. I then have to run it in (300km's).
I am hoping it will be run in within 1 week and then on the Dyno for a full power tune with higher boost.
Will let you know the figures when I have them.
Great to hear angus. all my incar video gear is ready 4 u 2 use next run @ the creek
hopefully the new track will get enough rubber on it from the top fuel cars and ur time will be even better than @ the last track :D
if u have ur own video camera we can get a spoiler shot and an incar shot... ill see wot i can do, but as long as i have ownership of the video fotoage i dont care hehehe
Hi Everyone,
My car has just appeared in the latest Zoom magazine with the red Skyline doing a burnout on the cover. Check it out :-)
Angus
p.s. I hope to make a web page on my civic soon.
Also my Civic is almost back together. The head went back on last night and I hope to start it over the weekend. Yee ha.
Hey people,
I looked around this forum a bit and found myself pretty impressed with the line-up.. especially Angus' turbo civic (WOW track time!)
I thought I would share my situation when it comes to Hondas. I am 16 years old and I am a not do distance-future owner of a late 70's honda Civic. My dad has an engine in the garage which he has had sitting in there for approx 20+ years. The block has been bored, and most of the engine is modified. It was originally 1180cc? but he increased this number up to approx 1390cc. It is naturally aspirated, and I am looking forward to obtaining the car to place it in :P
I was also wondering if there was anywhere I could buy second hand civic parts for cheapish, or any bodykits?...
If anybody has any questions, recommendations or any helpful information regarding this car, you can email me at Ferrari_f355S@hotmail.com
keep up the good stuff...
I did a typo for the rod manufacturer’s name. It is ARGO not AGO. Their website is www.argorace.com.au
My block had to be modified to fit these huge rods.
The bottom end is now all back together and I am just waiting on the head to return tomorrow so it can also be bolted on. Yee Haa.
jeepers Angus! Do these AGO characters have a website?
Sorry Glen! I think I have the claim for the slowest 1st Gen. 79 hatch. original (read tired)1237 with EN electronic ignition and a canadian 2nd gen 3spd Hondamatic. Zero to 60 mph in an agonizing 19.6 seconds. Yee Hawwww
Hi everyone,
Well all the parts are finally in for my Civic. As you can see the new rods by AGO are huge and I am told good for 200HP each. This is to cope with the extra boost I intend to run.
The whole car should be on the Dyno late next week. Yee ha. Will let you know the results as they come in.
I certainly dont have the fastest honda civic but posibly the slowest. 1976 with 2spd hondamatic and 45mm dcoe webber. Had problems with the carby as it didnt allow any low down power and is really only suited to manual transmission. i ran a best time of 18.73. although there was this horrible time i did give the crowd a show with my 155 tires that are 13 years old have a peek
Good onya Dave!!!
Hey Angus,
Do you remember Rodrigo Diaz from the Runs down at Wetherill park, Auburn Maccas, Bondi Beach etc?? This is ages ago about 7-8 years i think. You still had your Blue Honda City Turbo.
I have his 76 Honda Civic ER1 turbo.
hey angus. i hope to see you down the creek some time soon. When you are going send me an email. I hope to have my car back on the road by november. so hopefully we can race each other ( even though u will flog the pants off me ) What gearbox are you running. the 4spd or the 5spd. I had a 5spd last time i ran but this time i think i will run the 4spd as i think it will help.
Im also hoping to get a few in car camera's setup when im @ the creek next. Would you be interested in putting 1 in your car?
thanks
Glenn Biscan
http://biscan.cjb.net
Me at Eastern Creek Race track ready to run down the quarter mile. As you can see the Phantom grip LSD works very well.
In this picture I was running 14psi and had 139HP and 397nm of torque at the wheels.
With the full rebuild I am hoping for much more than than and also much higher boost.
My history on civics are all still a mystery, i've been driving a crx for the longest time, never really cared of the generations, but when there is no info ya go w/ what you think is to be right till someone comes along a smacks the right info in your face. I guess i ment to say the name change no the "whole" line of civic. But i'm sure i'm wrong there, i know the cvcc goes back, but never really cared to find out how far back.
i know of 2 people, not personally, that i've seen at CMI w/ swapped cvcc's. one had the b16, other has a SOHC vtec.
There are a few auto crossers i've run across, but have not converted to the fuel injection. One kid in sacramento is going to try to stuff a SOHC in an N600, have not talked to him in like 3 months, so he might have been full of it
Hey Chris
"the civic was actually introduced in 80" HUH???
The Civic was introduced in 1973.The CVCC is an engine not the model name.The CVCC engine was introduced in 1975 in the Civic and then in 1976 in the Accord.
It's first gen Civic not first gen CVCC!
Thanks
Dave
Chris, are there alot of first gen injected swaps that dont use this board? I know of five on this board and a few that are under construction.
Just wondering
1500lbs is taken from the 750~775kg conversion, of cource this is for the coupe, the wagon weighs considerably more, but at the same time its only 200lbs(est) more. Lots of this can be shaved off (lexan, removal of bumpers, a/c equipment) I'm going w/ the assumption that not much changed in the weights over years when the civic was actually introduced in 80.
the cvcc is the 750kg (taken from a 1975 weighed in europe).
When the car is running i'll weigh it at one of the truck stops here in reno.
Interesting.
I'd always assumed the wagons were significantly heavier than their hatchback counterparts (and then again that much heavier for the 2nd gens). How do you plan on getting a wagon down to 1500lbs?
What do the 1st gen wagons weigh stock?
god i wish these reply boxes were not at the bottom.
H22 swap is possible,has been researched and i'm still talking with HAsport to see when thier hydro conversion will be ready (not some time)
doing the math its going to be mid 13's, weight is going to be 1500lbs. I say stock motor w/ in mind that w/ the swap you have to redo the exhaust anyways and make a custom intake for breathing.
Only idiots buy C5's, a b18a/b w/ a b16 head produces the same numbers (if not better) and at a 3k savings. the C5 is ment for the "show", or the person that is not going into the internals of the motor. Plus i'm not even going to start on the OBDII hatered i have.
I'm sure the racecraft puts out the TQ, yet its a beefed up turbo motor w/ its own restrictions. its right around the same if i put a d15b w/ a 200 dry shot/turbo running 20psi. Yet i have the capabilities of making turbo manifolds now for cheap. Plus i've have the joy of watching a stock b16 cvcc run 13's w/ a b16 at CMI in sacramento.
figure at the min a car for the qtr mile/ SCCA has to be 1500lbs, so even w/ a weight of 1800 (the front is going to look pretty and be pratical) the b16a 160hp@7800rpm 111tq@7300rpm w/ a phantom grip is going to hit 13.5 w/ a good reaction (i range from .6~.68 seconds). If i went w/ like an H22A i'd have to compromise everyday driving ability. one axel would be to short and i'd have to go into the fire wall. the motor is freaking huge trust me i've done the swap before, even an F22 is huge. If i had a way/knowlege of doing full body cages i'd proboaby invest more time into possibly doing such a swap, but i'm going for broke, functional, practical, and cheap =)
just a look at what my friend just did to his 510 wagon
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Doubt it. What does a wagon weigh?
Plus you have a 2nd gen right?
Maybe a B18c5, but no way a B16 (at least not stock). I'm sure that Racecraft 1200 puts out significantly more torque and less weight.
If you're going to go custom DOHC, why not try fitting an H22 in there?
Now that would be a sick swap!
i wish i had desire to mess w/ the old motors, but i think a stock b16 can produce the same numbers in a wagon..so i'm hoping. the set up looks super nice though
Me at Wakefield. As you can see the track was rather wet and very slippery. Bloody good fun though.
My new heat shield around the air filter. Works bloody well. Has a large pipe going from the front of the vehilcle to under the air filter.
Angus, your car is my inspiration. Definitely keep us posted.
STU-88Y update.
Blew a ring at Wakefield racing it all day. Have decieded to pull the engine down for a full rebuild. At present the block has been pinned and o-ringed. The head is getting oversized exhaust valves as mine were standard size. New rings, keeping my forged pistons, replacing my worn EN1 crank. Custom H-Beam rods good for 200HP each are also being fitted. All new bearings and brass pucks on the clutch as they were badly worn. The custom ball bearing turbo is good for 300HP+ so I am not touching it at all. I hope to run alot more boost than my previous 14psi.
** A special big thanks to Adrian for all his help and spare parts **
I think it will be another 4 weeks before I get the car back. Will keep you all posted.
The part number on the phantom diff is correct. I emailed them as I could not find the part on their web site. This is the part they sent me.
Angus
hello
It's getting a complete engine rebuild now.
I wouldn't use a locked diff AT ALL. It'll be an absolute PIG on the road (i.e. undrivable and potentially dangerous) and about as bad on the track. Ok in a straight line but not much use for going around corners.
oh i thought angus had just had it rebuilt after he blew the head gasket.
adrian would you say that it was ok for a track car though?
I doubt Angus will be at the 'Creek that soon as his engine is currently being rebuilt.
A word of advice: DO NOT use a welded diff on the street.
Haha, hey Justin, I want the fastest 1st gen....let's rip the 3000 cc V6 outta my other car and stuff it in my '78....can we mount it mid-ship?
hey angus it is Glenn.
Im just wondering if u would like to race me on the 9th of july @ the creek. I have got my extractors and webber on and they are working real well up until 2day when i was racing a gen 3 and winning mind u. and sumthin broke. car is now on the side of the road waiting for the tow truck. should b here in a few hours. i think there is something wrong in the gearbox so im going to weld the diff up in the spare box and put that and a lightend flywheel on for wed night. Hope to see you there
helo everyone my name is turbo74 and i am looking for the fastest first gen civic. i have a mighty fast first gen civic myself. i think it might be a top contender for the fastest first gen honors. my dad had a 13 second camero when he was 17 and hes my civic is way faster than his camero. i have beaten many 2002 cobra mustangs with no problem. if you think you have a mighty fast first gen civic can you please poats a note and tell me what you have. if you would like to know more just ask.
Hey, let see some prove. Show us some pictures. Back it up doll.
Lets see some pics and a list of specs.
Put up or shut up.
well i have a 77 civic, and um i want to put a turbo on it, and um a body kit, and um i read in super street bout a s2000 swap in a first gen, and um i think it would be rad.......
Well i have a 78 wagon with a 1.5 and a hondamatic tranny it does the 1/4 mile in 28 seconds. Shane
Turbo 74....I believe i'm correct in saying that i have the fastest first gen civic 12.82 @ 102mph. it's a 79' wagon with a injected integra ZC with a shot of laughing gas
Fast and Furious 77...your not going to get a turbo or body kit without spending alot of money!! As far as the S2000 swap goes it's never been done..
wow Shane, you must be a blur =) lol
ha ha, its just me, i was having some fun with a certain person on this board, we all know who
have you seen the brown car with bbs rims and a custom sun roof on the one dot two web site. thats my car. but i added some of my own custom goodies. how do you put pictures in the forum. i will take some pics and put them on soon along with a spec list.
Is this it?
Just cause a 1200 civic has a turbo doesn't mean its fast. HotRod Magazine did a 1200 turbo project car its 1/4 mile times were in the 16's
Todds 1200 with the 2 dell sidedraft carbs is faster that that by 2 seconds. Moral of the story until you have a time slip from YOUR car... (you can't belive all the kids that wanted to snag my time slips) Its all just guesses
So what is the fastest 1st gen. civic.....that is normally aspirated? It seems like I remember one in the early to mid 90's that ran at a local drag strip here in Ga. that went some high 12's. It was bright yellow.
I have no idea what engine was in the car though.
So thats your car. Where did tou get your turbo? Did you have to modify the x-member to get the turbo maifold to fit?
Damn, I'd really like to see some expanded specs and blueprints on how you did that. How many miles have you accumulated on the turbo conversion?
The kit looks identical to the project HOTROD did in 75. I think it was a spearco kit if I'm not mistaken.
yes that is it. now i have my own intake manifold that i made mysef. heres a list of some things
debored to 1199 cc (from 1236 cc)
1973 block
1974 crankshaft
1975 5-speed tranny with custom gears
mugen limited slip diferential
custom ground cam shaft
8 to 1 compression
custom intake manifold
rajay turbo
bendix, custom mikuni or an SU carb
i change it (carb) frequently
port and polish
matched port holes
dyno max super turbo muffler
longer control arms
front big brake kit
13 in 3 piece bbs racing rims
215/60/r13 dunlop all round
coil overs all round
any questions.
pictures will be coming soon
in the picture above the car has a stock intake manifold and a stock exhaust manifold. it was done really nice but i did not like where the turbo sat.
What kind of coil-overs? How did you make them fit?
This "how to" has been covered many times. You may want to down load the old archive.
Those coil overs are beautiful. Very, very well Done
Kurt
Cody,
Where are you? California right? Is that the actual Hot Rod car?
california is right, venice to be exact. i have no idea if it is the hot rod one. i bought it from my neighbor with 3 other cars for $1100 and he bought it from the person who put the turbo on it.
where can i download the "how to" on the coil over? Danielsan
On the opening page of this web site you will see
the archive. Then you get to seach the articles. I think it was a thread that started out as a "for sale add" about some 74 casings
You know, I've been visiting here for years and for years I've heard people refer to a link to 'the archive' but when I look at the opening page I see DISCUSSION PAGE, MEMBER PAGE, CIVIC GALLERY, CIVIC LINKS, OTHER PAGES and CHAT. Of course there's also Justins '78 and the KONI picture and the Yokohama tire and the note from Nasr. But of course those aren't links to the archive.
go to the discussion board and it´s half way down the intro page to the board (the one with the picture that looks like a watercolor).
Rodrigo.
Hi Justin,
I have a 1975 model Civic with the original engine and a GT28 ball beearing turbo running 14psi. It makes 140Hp and 400+nm of Torque at the wheels. I recently ran a 13.3@109mph with massive wheel spin in the first 3 gears. LSD going in soon. I hope to run onto the 12's within a month. How do you get traction ?? I run 185/60/13 Dunlop Type R Street slicks. I may be a contender for the fastest title as my mph is very high. C ya.
Isn't there a mountian dew commercial where they drop a 77 with no roof out of a plane , and four sky divers are in it? I'd say that would have the fastest 1 gen honers hands down. Sorry Justin. But if they don't have the time slip , well I guess you get the title.
Wow Justin, I know this is a really old thread, and I must have read it sometime. But those wagon numbers just jumped out at me. Your wagon is nuts. I would have figured you'd have more traction issues.
I'm proud to say I kind of know you.
Not to detract from you Cody, but Mustangs are so stupid... gag me with an uninspiring muscle car stick.
Angus, let's see some pics of the beast!! With my wagon I run 195/45/15's they spin alot, but lsd helps out, and i usually don't hit the NOS until i'm well into second gear...I might be going with a greddy turbo kit soon, we will have to see Jacob, Twyla is laughing her head off about your comment and the mustang!! all she can say is it's a four letter word, that should never be repeated "F O R D"
Now dont be slamming Mustangs I think A ride in one properly built will change your mind. Kinda like saying All Honda guys and gals must have 7" tailpipes and more stereo than engine.
I have no problems with mustangs as long as they are pre mach I's. I hate the attitude that kids have now...(mostly the 88' and newer bodystyle)they buy a 5.0 and think they are the king of the road, and then i show them what a old skool can do
i think the only mustang i would ever get would be like justin said, pre-mach one. or maybe an 02 Cobra R
Well, the '98 GT didn't impress me at all (test drove), nor does my friends '66 with a well-built 289, nor do all the other V6 ones that I see EVERYWHERE. A guy I met that was into racing had a '98 Cobra with many mods runs like a 13.3... whoopty do.
My brother's Pontiac Firehawk (do a web search) runs a 12.99 with a K&N and a cat-back Borla.
Basically the GT350's an GT500's are cool. But I won't credit Ford or Mustang with that at all.... I'd pat old Carol Shelby on the back though.
I know that I was not at all impressed with either of my mom's V6 T-Birds. I think their 1/4 times would have to be in the mid 20's. The '89 was alright utill it blew a headgasket and fragged a ring. The 95 was even worse, don't get me started. Enough power and nice options, but the power steering growled, brakes howled and were always making that black dust, the transmission was set up so soft you couldn't tell when it shifted. Ford is not that great.
Pontiac on the other hand is even more mediocre. My friend has to take his grand am in every 4 months to get a new ignition switch. The Pontiacs of old were the automobiles of choice for badasses though. Think Burt Reynolds and you will understand.
You guys, you seem to have your opinions formed By either Freaks, or you drove crap (V-6 t-birds) My 1966 had a best time of 11.64 at 118mph All motor, 6200 rpm shifts (Frito took some pictures while in my shop). That is a true street car, put in four friends and went cruising after airing up the street tires after the drags. A friend had a 86 4 banger factory Turbo,aftermarket gears, wastegate and street tires =12.15. That car beat ALL Honda guys that night. Late GT's are more common than people, kinda like Civic 1200's used to be, but look a us now... Mommy
I wans't meaning to use the V6 T-Bird to gauge a Mustang by any means. Just relating my bad experiences with a Ford product. The T-Bird is a tank, but all of the 80's high tech power gadgetry is broken, and it only gets 15 mpg in its current state.
Don, i guess you are refering to the 86' SVO...My buddy had one, excellent handling, but was a little slow out of the hole, but it pulled good on the highway, the 2.3 turbo was alright, but i think i like the Merkur version a little better..
In stock trim they are geared pretty high, still good for mid-15's in the quarter though. There was two turbo options, one was the SVO (Cool) the other was the GT (Less cool) 4 cylinder option. The Mustang I was referring to was neither, just a plain LX (light) four cylinder notch back with the running gear from a wrecked SVO transplanted. I guess my point is allot of people wonder why we spend money on "Crappy Little Hondas" They are close minded in my opinion, lets not be the same. Almost any car can be cool if you do your homework and put some effort into it.
Don is absolutely right time and money cures all the problems of a lame car and can make it a sweet ride
True, but it takes twice as much money to make a Ford fast. Just open a Jegs or a Summit. With the money it would take to trick out a 'Stang (drivetrain), I could trick out a Camaro (drivetrain) and have enough left over to put an ER motor in my Civic.
By the way, I'm not really pushing for F-bodies. I think they're a little bit cheezy. But they're a faster car than the Mustang out of the box (not referring to classics of either make). And my brother's high 12-sec car got 32mpg going to Vegas (that .62 factory OD helps ).
Sorry, mustangs just really bother me... Saleen, Roush, Cobra-R, none of them really handle that well, or are really that fast.
Sorry, I'll shut up now.... most opinions vented. Didn't mean to offend anybody... I get tired of tasting my feet.....
I am curious to see what the '04 Stang does. The looks don't do a lot for me. But the drivetrain looks good on paper... with that and the GT40 Ford just might be a contender..... atleast it's not a Mopar (don't get me started).
Hey, I was ok with the Ford bashing, but bashing Mopars is going too far!
You can't possibly be serious, I'd own 20 Mustangs before I'd put my name on the title of a Mopar (your Minivan's cool though Justin, 'cause it's crazy modded) (only 10 Mustangs for a Viper).
I have never met a person that was actually pleased with the performance/durability of their Dodge/Chrysler/Plymouth vehicle... especially the trucks (I'm from the country where we actually expect them to act like trucks instead of pavement pounders). What's with that new fake 4dr. thing too. It's the size of the clubcab on the Silverado line.
I need to go wash my feet if we're going to keep this up.
I hope you're not including Jeeps in the Chrysler lineup there. The Cherokees and the Wranglers are some of the most reliable, longest lasting vehicles out there. It's rare to find one with less than 100k miles, at least the ones that I've seen. My dad's Cherokee had 150k on it, my uncle has 165k on his, and I'm a few hundred short of 100k on my Wrangler, and besides small stuff like valve cover gaskets and water pumps, I've never had a big problem, neither has anyone else that I know of who has one. Of course it's not a Chrysler design, but they did bulid a good number of them, and did have thier hands in the design a few times. I don't have any experience with the Grand Cherokee or the Liberty though. All in all, I'm more of a Chevy guy, I've got more of them than anything else at the moment.
Back to the original question, my autocrosser goes 9.35 in the eighth mile at 75mph. That's a stroked 1200 on 15 year old Yokahama slicks. I believe that translates to low 14's in the quarter. Not as quick as you heavily modded guys, but decent for 1.3 liters normally aspirated.
How many people have you know that have Jeeps? I love jeeps, I have a '47 CJ2A. Read anything about the newer Cherokees? and the older ones for that matter. Electrical problems up the wazoo.
I've known three people with Cherokees. Two of them were in-and-out of the shop constantly (one still is), and the other is owned by some older people (it's only needed an exhaust manifold and some fuel delivery related items ~60K).
The Grand Cherokee's are the worst, I know two people that have had strange electrical problems with theirs (Windows rolling up and down completely randomly, windshield wipers and dome lights turning themselves on-and-off, this starts within the first 10K miles).
Quite honestly I like Jeeps too, but if I got one (I really like the newer Cherokee Classics), I'd personally go through the whole thing and change a bunch of stuff.
About the long lasting thing, if you're willing to do more than average maintenance, they'll last a long time, hard to kill and I-6, good motor though.
I like Jeeps, but I can't deny that they're high maintenance vehicles (kind of like a Ferrari, sweet ride, lots of maintenance).
mmmmm.... socks
Todd, how did you get slicks to last 15years?
Anyway, those are still good numbers, still pretty competitive in the new Civic market.
I was implying that they weren't very good. I had them lying around and didn't want to mess up the Hoosiers. I figure with good traction I could have got very low 9s perhaps 8s?
Whoa, threw me off for a sec. Still not used to this 1/8th mile thing. 8's or 9's is pretty quick. Can't wait 'til my car's mobile.
I think the new stang at the Detroit auto show is just awsome looking. It reminds me of my 68 GT fastback that I used to have. Ford Chev Mopar..... It does not matter to me who makes em all I know is when I sit behind the wheel of a 1968 big block mustang, 1963 Corvette or a 1969 Hemi Super Bee my heart just pounds! They all have turned out some great cars.
How do you add pictures ???
Jacob, check this thing out...I know it isn't pretty but it is fun!
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take it easy
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Dont worry i have a Datsun 210 that looks about the same but its cool because i am not afraid to bring it anywhere it is the funnest car i have. Jason
let's see if that works ;)
frito
also, wheel size comparo!
let's see if that works ;)
frito
I've got one of those (kinda). Mine's a 2A not a 3B. I'd classify them the same though... my friend's got a SWEET 3A.
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Current time is 13.3@109mph with open diff.
Phantom Grip LSD fitted today and racing again on Wednesday 13-02-03.
Will keep you posted.
Angus
Current 13.3@109mph.
Hope to run 12's tomorrow.
Angus
HOLY COW!! Angus, that is awesome! Can you elaborate a little more on your setup please? Thanks!
hey wasnt that racecrafts buddy's old car... peter I think.. cant remember it looks the same tho.. cool car.
oh ya i got one of these too
mines a cj2a frame with a 63 dispatcher jeep body on it.. out of commission right now(busted axleshaft DOH)
anybody remember the website that had a first or second gen 4-door hatch with a B18c in it? i would think that car would be fast as a beast!
Dang!
Johnny, I just cut up a 67 wagoneer axle housing (Dana 44) are they the same?
If they are and you need rear axles (tapered ones)
Maybe we can work out a deal?? They are 5 bolt 5x5 1/2 I think.
sorry errol mine is a spicer 23 model rear axle and the only place I can find a shaft for it wants 179 US
(OUCH) so i might buy that but am looking for a dana 44 axle assembly with a passenger side diff cause the model 23 isnt known for strength, as i have already found out
Raced my Civic last night. The Phantom Diff is awesome. Spins both wheels now.
Ran a 13.0 @ 105mph still with traction problems in 1st and 2nd gear.
Yes it is peters car from Racecraft. I have made only minor mods since purchasing it.
Just out of curiostity what did you pay for it? Australia right?
Kurt
$10K aus. Previous owner spent over 40K on it.
It has everything done to it. Awesome around the circuit.
I will be racing again on the 26th Feb. Will keep you posted.
I only run 185-60-13 tyres. Might go bigger next time.
If anyone was considering the Phantom LSD I highly recomment it. Works very well. you dont even know it is there until you give it full power.
Angus
Brand new to this site. Never looked up in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation, because I've always worked with the 4th + generation.
Anyways, I just recently purchased a 1978 Civic 2door hatch.
The project is as follows, I'm removing the motor from my 1990 Drag Civic, and dropping it into the 78 and leaving it as a street car. The best run I did with the drag civic was 11.83 on the 1/4 mile. unfortunately work takes up more time then play, so I've only raced the drag car 3 times in 2 years.
So, as the project progresses I'll be coming on this site often with details.
My guess is that the car will be fast
Hey Angus,
Do you still have the City? Whats happening with that. email me about it if you like.
Congratulations on that timeslip! Very, very impressive! If that is on street tyres, its unbeleiveable! Slicks should drop almost a second off the qtr time in a big power FWD!
sorry to bug u guys but im new to this site. I have a 78 accord an i was just amazed how much power u guys pull from a 1200 engine. I wanna do up my 1600 accord but was wondering what types of mods u suggest me doing fist without going into mega bucks! the engine is totally stock!
There isn't too much ya can do with the EF motor.
You can try and overbore as big as you can go, try a 82-83 1500 civ ported head (4 exhaust port one), regrind your cam, weber 32/36 conversion, EK exhaust manifold (matches the 4port head..), lightened flywheel and a '80 GJ86xxxxxx- GJ86999999 5spd. tranny (only in the 80 1300)
Cut the springs 2 loops, get some 81 accord wheels with 185/60/13 tires and go!!
cool man thanks for the help much appreciated.
U recon i should get a totally new engine? i was maybe thinking of a 4age 20v or would it cost alot to install? My car is just for street purposes.
speaking of the accords i just picked up two 77 accords for 35 bucks!!!! anyways can i use anything off of these cars for a 79 cvcc. one of the cars has a 1980 accord motor in it and the other one is just a parts car. one of them has the center counsil on the roof will that fit in my civic well thanks Jason
Hi Guys,
Just got a set of 7" rims (had 5.5") and front wheel drag slicks to put on my Civic. Hopefully this will reduce my quarter mile times into the 12's.
I am racing at Eastern Creek on the 9th April.
Will keep you posted.
I also will b racing my honda on april 9th @ the creek. hope 2 see u there.
angus have u got a set of wheels that u dont require as i wana put a set of track tires on so that when i do my burnout they will only be cheap tires and not my nice new 1's
oooh oooh, try for a civic on civic race!!! and get video!! that would be neat to watch
Angus, This 'Phantom grip' diff, what part number is it?
I heard that the ones from the 84-87 will work in our 1gs but that was a long time ago and not sure who said it..
Thanks
hey angus, check out phantom grip's website, under testimonials. i think this may be your letter if you wrote one!!
I blew a head gasket the other day in my Civic racing a Chev powered LX Torana and a Gen III 5.7L Commodore. Went past both of them many times before the gasket blew. The Bastards laughted.
Replaced gasket ok. The block and bores look like new still. No sign of detination. Did find several cam lobes were badly warn so have replaced the cam and worn lifters. The head has not been removed for 6 years so that is good going. The head bolts were very loose.
Should have more power than ever once I finish running it in. Run in will be complete and head will be re-tightened on Friday 10-05-03.
For my Civic I used Phantom grip part number part # 905 gold. Works very well. I am circuit racing it on the 17th May so will give more feed back then. I did write a letter to Phantom Grip. It is me :-)
Talk to you all soon.
Angus, I'm not trying to start an arguement, but when I looked at the Phantom Grip web site, there was no #905 listed. I plan on buying one this year for my ITC racing project so would you please clarify my confusion for me?
Thanks,
Phil
hi i use to be 78typeR but forgot my password haven't been on for awhile but i had a 78 civic with a 2001 integra type r motor justin seen the video of it at the first hotimport nights in seattle. Hay justin its me sinh the lil crazy 17 year old now 18 with the white 78 type r! well back to where i was i had it crashed it and now i have another one that is RWD with a 2003 RSX type S motor soon to be turbocharged.
OK??? GOT PICS?
well yeah i do somebody tell me how to upload them please!!! which one you want to look at the type S or the type R
Yes
is that a yes you gonna show me how to post the pictures?
look to the left of the screen and click on where it says formatting and thats where it says how to post
Just type it like this:
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You can put a name to your pic in the brackets, otherwise, put a space between them. When you preview your post, you see a box that says "your image here". When you do the final posting, it will ask you for the upload location. The pic has to be a .jpg or .gif, and less than 100kb.