are these the same? will they both work on each other?

Frito

thanks

By Calvin (134.134.136.3) on Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 01:32 am:

Frito,

I was just reading through the archive and it seems that at least for the rear the answer is no, also they are struts, shocks are different.

Calvin

How have you been?

By Kurt BOSNELL (Kurt) (207.6.119.253) on Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 01:56 am:

I thought the CVCC used stiffer springs to accompnay the heavier cast iron block?

By Calvin (134.134.136.3) on Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 01:59 am:

That is true and the springs from a 1500 will fit a 1200, It's the struts that I think are different.

By Edgar F. Sanchinelli (Frito) (63.105.29.199) on Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 10:35 am:

Ok, well I got my suspension for the civic. Picked up my shocks and swaybar

Frito

By Don (199.2.139.225) on Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 10:56 am:

The sedan CVCC and 1200 struts are the same until the 78-79 era.

By Edgar F. Sanchinelli (Frito) (63.105.29.199) on Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 01:07 pm:

hmm, that's what I was concerned about...

I'll let you guys know on how the susp works out tommorrow.

thanks

frito

By RIC (68.57.35.148) on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 06:22 am:

HEY GUYS IM NEW TO COMPUTERS AND IM NEW TO TRYIN TO HOOK UP THE GOOD STUFF ON MY 1979 1200... I FOUND A 75 IN THE JUNK YARD AND GOT WHAT I COULD I NEW I REALLY WANTED THE TRANNY IT WAS A FIVE SPEED AND MINES ONLY A FOUR SO I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD FIND I ALSO GOT THE CHROME SHIFTER AND EVERY THING ELSE THAT I COULD EXCEPT THE ENG WAS LOCKED IM NOT SHURE IF ANY OF IT IS REALLY ANY GOOD IF ANY ONE HAS ANY ADVICE I WOULD LOVE TO CHAT

By Calvin (134.134.136.3) on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 06:55 am:

As friendly advice I would start with turing off the CAPS LOCK out here is is the equivlent of YELLING! I had to learn this the hard way. If the car you got the 5sp out of was a wagon then you have what I consider one of the best trannys to have for your 1200, close ratio gears 1-3 and a decent 5th for the hwy, very good find, all you need to make it any better is the final drive off of a 1980 Civic 1300 (4.93:1), which is my current mission. Good Luck J

By Don (199.2.139.161) on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 02:41 pm:

Calvin, that is a wives tale that some dope at GRM started. The only thing that tranfers between 5 speeds that easy is the 5th gear assembly and the 75 all ready has a better ratio than the 80 trans. I will list the trans ratios when I have time. The 75 CVCC trans sucks for performance use. The 75 wagon may not be all that great depending on how its used. You will understand once I put up the ratios

By Don (199.2.139.161) on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 02:42 pm:

RIC get the openable struts if they are still there

By Edgar F. Sanchinelli (Frito) (66.154.131.20) on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 02:57 pm:

What is the best and I guess shortest geared trans for all out performance in these? I've gotten too confused over all of this I hear. I guess it really doesn't matter to me whether or not I have a 5 or 4spd. I just want the best gearing possible to truly make the 1200 get up and go. I do gotta keep in mind though that there are some pretty long stretches at a course I plan to run at and wouldn't want to top out/run outta gear too early.

thanks

Frito

By Calvin (134.134.136.3) on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 09:51 pm:

Thank you Don, I look forward to your input, so it sounds like the notion I have about putting the final drive from an '80 1300 Civic on to a '79 wagon 5sp was derived in a crack house. That is really to bad, I had HIGH hopes so to speek.

By Adrian (Evocivic) (165.228.11.61) on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 10:38 pm:

Don are you sure about that? As far as I can see all the 5-speeds with the two-piece end cover are the same design so the output shaft and diff from one of the very early EN or EJ boxes (80, maybe early 81) should be able to fit into an even earlier box. Later boxes with the single piece end cover are definitely a different design and the output shaft is not interchangable with earlier ones.

By Calvin (134.134.136.3) on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 11:05 pm:

Hell I'm just going to try it.

By Bryan (209.187.165.130) on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 07:31 am:

I have a 75 CVCC wagon tranny and an 80 EJ 5 speed. They both have the same final drive ratio and they will interchange with each other.

Don, Why do you say the ratios are terrible for performance use?

By Don (199.2.139.197) on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 08:37 am:

The 75 CVCC has a 4.733 and the 80 EJ is a 4.933 So how are they the same final drive ratio? Un less your talking about switching the 5th gear ratio. 75 CVCC wagon FIVE SPEED... Maybe I should have said Competition use, the fifth gear ratio is way too high. For putzing around on the sreet its great.
Adrian sent me the ratios of his
Mugen 5 speed
1st 2.538
2nd 1.765
3rd 1.350
4th 1.136
5th 1.045
See this is what Honda knew what was needed for competition use

The Stock ratios are wide and high. If you talk to anyone who actually races the 1200 they all say the same. My car came with a ton of notes on the same subject. If I'm wrong about the FD being able to swap out let me know as this will help.

By Don (199.2.139.155) on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 12:20 pm:

Calvin - The 79 wagon trans is not good at all ratio wise. You would be better off with another transmission.

By revinric900 (68.57.35.148) on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 03:05 pm:

howdy guys sorry about all of the yelling earlier. but i found another one 76 the damn thing was born in the same year i was and now im just lovin to see it in the junkyard but hating it as well. yellow it was i got the center mounted fuel and temp gauge as well as the tach to replace where my old fuel and temp gauges used to rest. no essays, or nuthin but wanted to ask don what he ment about the openable struts? i did however remove pretty much every thing off of the 75 i found a few days ago. and did see another 5 speed with a chrome shifter

By jms (67.203.82.187) on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 03:19 pm:

want to sell a tranny Bryan?

By Don (199.2.139.174) on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 04:14 pm:

Allot of people think they have a 75 Wagon trans but when they count the gears it ends up being a 75 CVCC sedan or a 76-79 CVCC wagon or.... allot of them had the same ring and pinion ratio but the gear spacing is wider. Bryan is a smart feller so he probably lucked out and found the real thing, that is a super hard transmission to find.

By Bryan (209.187.165.130) on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 05:10 pm:

I did not get a chance to check the final drives today. I took all those trannys apart 2 months ago. I made notes, but I have been sick and didn't remember to look.

I remember the first gear being something like 3.00 though. I think you are right about the FD being 4.73 too Don. Just been too long and I am getting old timers disease.

I got all my gear boxes years ago. I have a friend at a JDM importer that was dicontinuing that style box and I bought all 3 he had left for $35 ea. I figured I could use them at some time or another.

I really see how the mugen box is the one to have. I wonder how many of those are out there. In disassembling all those trannies and counting the gears, I noticed that the ratios seemed a bit "wide" compared to the american boxes I am used to.

By Todd (67.240.66.45) on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 05:15 pm:

Okay, to clear up some confusion, the pinion shaft and final drive from the 4.93 EJ tranny will go into the earlier boxes. But as I have stated before, all these trannys have the same third gear ratio, so the super low 1st and 2nd gear gained by doing this swap is negated when you shift to third. First gear quick, second gear quick, third gear BOG! Without going with a super rare or expensive competition box, the 4.93 4 speed is best for peppy acceleration. On a road course, you'll be wanting a 5 speed.

By Don (199.2.139.203) on Friday, December 06, 2002 - 05:48 pm:

Thanks for the info Todd, According to the SCCA IT rules I cant use a 5 speed unless is has the 3.18 1st and wide ratios (NO EJ either) so the 3.00 1.st 4 speed with a 4.733 (unlimited ring and pinions only the gears are regulated) is a better option on a few fast tracks for my class as the stock camshaft is all done at less than 6000.

By errol (205.188.209.133) on Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 08:35 am:

How about looking at the 79 acord w/ 4.26 and 80-81 prelude w/4.38 f/d
1=3.181, 2=1.84, 3=1.120, 4=.900, 5=.720
You would have to swap bellhousings though since the prelude and accord have hydraulic clutches.
Not to bad though..

By Don (199.2.139.192) on Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 11:14 am:

Way, way too high of gears for my use. Jacob could use that on the turbo motor though

My best bet is to run the 4.93 4 speed and piece together a 4.733 4 speed as luck allows.

By Ted (63.224.195.169) on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 10:09 am:

I love my 4 speed 4.93 for autocross. Almost never need third anyway!

By Ted (63.224.195.169) on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 10:10 am:

Jon Sinden wrote these sheets up for comparison.

By John S. (205.188.209.133) on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 11:50 am:

Hey Ted, Thanks for putting these up for the guys. I don't have the ability to scan them so I'm glad you did it. We must scramble to save this stuff as it is disappearing fast. By the way I believe those sheets to be accurate.

By Ted (63.224.195.169) on Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 12:14 pm:

John,
Jim (drzoom) sent me those last year. He must have scaned them. Pretty helpful information in identifying the old trannies, but like Todd said, there's no guarantee of what you have by only the code, the truth is in the pudding!

By Bryan (66.32.104.83) on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 12:02 pm:

That's an awesome list of trannies! That is the kind of information that needs to go in the "knowledge base tree"

By Don (199.2.139.203) on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 12:25 pm:

They forgot the 75 Wagon, oh well its the same as the early 1200 with a 4.733 final gear.

By Jon (Jonny) (24.67.209.73) on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 12:52 pm:

What about a GN87..... is it the same as the GJ tranny or different?