Camber probs on 4 x 100 conversion

Civic1200 Discussion Board: : Camber probs on 4 x 100 conversion
By Hugh Johnson (Oneson1) (144.138.198.100) on Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 02:35 am:

Could I have Tonys e-mail please? Ta.

By Sleepy (203.54.167.187) on Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 07:08 pm:

Hey Hugh,
Tony has one set of caliper brackets left. Hes selling them for $200. He also has calipers and discs to go with them and is willing to sell them all for $400.

Better to talk to him about it. I was gonna buy the brackets off himm but getting them off a friend.

By Sleepy (203.54.167.187) on Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 07:05 pm:

Is Robbie the one that works on your engine? You have a Er engine also?

By Sleepy (203.54.167.187) on Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 07:03 pm:

When I bought the car it already had the Microtech hooked up. It was running fine.
I bought the car off a friend of Angus's.
we used to take to the runs at wetherill park when Angus had his blue City (Stu88y)

Do u have the number for Hanny's? I dont have the Metro yellow pages only the local Campbelltown one.

By Adrian (Evocivic) (165.228.11.61) on Friday, March 05, 2004 - 10:55 pm:

The fifth injector is most certainly NOT a cold start injector but runs the cvcc system. Have fun getting it to run with the Microtech ... better to use the standard computer. Robbie deals pretty much exclusively with Hondas, has worked at Honda in Japan as a tech and knows what he is on about.

By Sleepy (144.134.233.244) on Friday, March 05, 2004 - 09:15 pm:

I forgot to add that i have a t1 City turbo in it. And croydon did the install and fine tune of the MicroTech ECU.

So im sorta back into a corner unless Hanny's could help me out.

By Sleepy (144.134.233.244) on Friday, March 05, 2004 - 09:11 pm:

BTW, Does Hanny know how to work on CvCC? I know Croydon are expensive but they were my last chance cause everywhere else Ive tried gettting my car fixed at just fixed the symptoms enough till i get it home and then the next day it starts all over again. They think ...well, thye insist that the 5th injector on my car is only a cold start injector nothing else.

By Sleepy (144.134.233.244) on Friday, March 05, 2004 - 09:08 pm:

Adrian,
Oh ok Now i get you. You dont use the En1 knuckle but the EB instead with the EN drive flange in it. So the bearing the same size on both?
Ive been reading the conversion all wrong. I keep getting mixed up with uprights thinking your are talking about the struts.
sorry for being so slow to learn. lol No, Im not blonde either!!

Thanx man.

1stGen, Yep EB is the 1st Gen. And yes we are talking about putting the en Cv's onto the eb driveshaft. It would be better to ask Adrian if 1990 would fit on.

Hugh, I guy in Canberra can get them for you. I emailed him yesterday but he hasnt answered yet. Im gonna get mine off a friend whos not using his.
Adrian hooked me up with his email.

Thanx again for your help Adrian.
I owe u a drink

Cheers,

By 1stgencivic4x4 (136.235.12.17) on Friday, March 05, 2004 - 08:53 am:

I am still learning to navigat this site and if my questions are too mundane please tell me where to go to get them answered. Does EB mean gen 1 in this case? What does EN1 mean? In which cars are EN1 parts found? It appears that you are saying that a gen 1 shaft will work with a later cv joint. Any idea if a gen 1 shaft will work with a 1990 cv joint? Any idea if a 1990 drive flange would press into a 1st gen upright?

By Hugh Johnson (Oneson1) (144.138.198.121) on Friday, March 05, 2004 - 04:27 am:

I want a set of those caliper mounts, where can I get them in OZ, this would make my life complete:)

hugh

By Adrian (Evocivic) (165.228.11.61) on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 10:59 pm:

This is what one looks like on an EB upright with an EN1 drive flange pressed into it.
caliper bracket

By Adrian (Evocivic) (165.228.11.61) on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 10:53 pm:

Oh and don't take it to Croydon Autosports ... they'll just charge you a fortune and probably make it run like crap. Talk to Robbie at Hannys Performance in Smithfield.

By Adrian (Evocivic) (165.228.11.61) on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 10:52 pm:

The caliper brackets are just that ... brackets for the calipers. They allow you to mount the CRX calipers onto EB uprights. Bolt onto the standard brake mounting holes, then you bolt your CRX calipers onto them.

By Sleepy (144.134.233.104) on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 10:28 pm:

Phew, I was about to send them away on Monday.

what do the brackets actually do? I thought that they were just adapters to help fit the calipers from the crx on.

Where do they mount?

Im in the S/W Sydney area. Near Liverpool.

The car is at Campbelltown Brake services. Then after that gonna take it to Croydon Developments to get the engine fixed. <--Thats another long troublesome story. Its been diagnosed as a blocked fuel filter, not timing properly, blocked injectors, all by mech thats have not got any experience with CVCC. :P

Cheers

By Adrian (Evocivic) (165.228.11.61) on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 08:45 pm:

I'm in Sydney ... you should drop round some time.
Why didn't Michael suggest getting the brackets from Anthony??

If i did send the upriights to Noltec to fit adjustbale camber and castor kits to the towers, would they have fixed the problem? If so, would it handle properly? Or would there be bump steering still?

NO. There is nowhere near enough room at the top to get rid of all the camber. You'd need very long control arms as well and it'll have horrible bump steer (TRUST ME!).

By Sleepy (203.54.171.209) on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 08:13 pm:

Im in Sydney mate. Howabout you? U are in Oz ay?

You have been a great help tp me bro. You, Michael B from Canberra and Charles.

greatly appreciated.

I hope that tony returns soon cuz I am in desperate need of them. The workshop is on my back since the car has been at the shop for 6 months already while i have been trying to source parts and get mags for the 1 x 100 convo.

The brake lines in the car now have been custom made to suit the crx calipers.

If i did send the upriights to Noltec to fit adjustbale camber and castor kits to the towers, would they have fixed the problem? If so, would it handle properly? Or would there be bump steering still?

thanx again for the help

By Adrian (Evocivic) (165.228.11.61) on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 07:49 pm:

Anthony is in Canberra (though I believe he is currently on holiday in the US). Email me and I'll give you some contact details for him.

EN1 hatch and wagon uprights are the same. The 'wagon' uprights you are probably thinking of are from the US 75-78 (or whatever) wagon. The wagons we got here from 75 - 77 had the same brakes as the hatches.

What you want is :
EB uprights
Caliper brackets
CRX (or various other) calipers
CRX rotors (will not fit with EN1 uprights but will fit if you use EB uprights and the brackets)
EN1 drive flanges
EN1 CV joints (on EB driveshafts)
EN1 brake hoses.

All you need is the brackets and brake hoses. With that list it all just bolts together and you have no issues with excess positive camber or bump steer (other than what they have standard).

Press the old drive flanges out, remove the grease seal bolts and countersink the holes, install countersunk bolts (change the wheel bearings while you are at if you want), press the EN1 drive flanges in. Knock the EB CVs off the driveshafts, knock the EN1 ones on (you can't use the EN driveshafts as they are 50mm longer). Bolt it all together.

BTW Where are you?

By Sleepy (203.54.171.209) on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 07:20 pm:

these are the actual parts i have for the upgrade

2 x 89-90 CRX discs and calipers

2 x EN1 uprights (knuckles)+ CV joint ends/drive shafts

89-90 CRX brake lines <---which wont fit onto eb ones i later found out.

By Sleepy (203.54.171.209) on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 07:18 pm:

these are the actual parts i have for the upgrade

2 x 89-90 CRX discs and calipers

2 x EN1 uprights (knuckles)+ CV joint ends/drive shafts

89-90 CRX brake lines <---which wont fit onto eb ones i later found out.

By Sleepy (203.54.171.209) on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 07:14 pm:

Hey Adrian,
After buying the caliper brackets off tony I wont need anything else? How much are they? whereabouts is he situated? Im in Oz.
I am using EN1 uprights (knuckles). i read somewhere that the en1 wagon uprights would allow for the crx calipers to bolt on without a bracket. Was i misinformed? I asked Honbits for wagon uprights which they said they gave to me.

Is Tony still around cuz I need these brackets ASAP cuz the guy thats doing my brakes is getting impatient with my car using up space at the workshop.

So I dont need to send my strut towers to Noltec? And that after buying the brakcets everything will be fixed...no positve camber? no bump steer?etc My brake upgrade would be done?

thanx for that guys

By Adrian (Evocivic) (165.228.11.61) on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 02:11 pm:

1stgencivic4x4: sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Sleepy is not talking about the struts but the uprights and no, you can't use the CRX ones as the design is totally different. The front does not use a two bolt system at the bottom of the strut but a circular clamp and it's not possible to remove that much positive camber with lower control arm changes.

Sleepy: Sounds to me like you used the complete EN1 uprights ... bad idea (speaking from first hand experience). Use your original EB uprights and get the caliper adapter brackets from Anthony. It all just bolts together and you have no geometry problems to worry about.

By 1stgencivic4x4 (136.235.12.27) on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 12:18 pm:

Do the CRX struts pretty much bolt in? Whether or not they do, I wonder if you could correct for the camber at the bottom of the strut. On some vehicles this would be possible, like a early 90's Subaru, for example. You could modify how the strut bolts to the upright by enlarging or moving one or both of the bolt holes in the two strut flanges that bolt to the upright. Did you also add CRX rear struts? If so, do you have the same problem in the back?

By Sleepy (203.54.167.12) on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 07:43 am:

I just finished doing a brake upgrade on my 76 civic with 89 crx brakes using the EN1 stub axles and cv joints but have found that I have too much positive camber after fitting the mags on.
I will be sending the front struts off to get a set of adjustable camber/castor kits engineered to the strut towers.
Did anyone have the same problem as me? And if so, how did they fix it, who did? and how much?
The cost for the mod is $440 AU. Is thee a cheap and easy way of fixing the prob apart from ccutting and welding the lower control arms?
Should I have used EN lower control arms also?

Theres about 1 - 1 1/2 incch positive camber.

Any help will be appreciated.


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