just find a pice of •••• socket that you dont' care for that is just bearly smaller then the looking lug and hammer it on, and twist off. this even works with the locks that are round on the out side. bam! done.

By John S. (68.91.83.125) on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 06:31 pm:

Just thought I'd add this little tidbit about these Locking lugnuts:
Richard you wondered if you could just buy another set. Maybe yes, but probably no. You see if you knew what brand you were dealing with...and whether the company is still in business, you could take a rubbing of the lock and send it to them. If they still have a match they would probably sell it to you...three weeks later. What is important to remember is those locks are kind of like ignition locks in that each manufacturer may have used one or probably more like two or three dozen patterns, boxed randomly and sent to the retailers. That is why they work...not much chance of Joe Shmow down the street from you having a match for your locks. This is also why I always recommend to anyone thinking of purchasing a set of them to order an extra lock from the manufacturer...while you can still get it. Keep one in he car hidden, so you can get your wheels off in case of a flat. Leave the other safely locked up at home in case...heaven forbid...you loose the first one. You know, like somebody doing some repair work for you forgets to put it back in your car, and you foget about it too until 6mo. later when you need the damn thing, or whatever. If you think odering an extra one is a hassle, wait till you can't get the wheel off the car...I'm just a 50yr old bastard who HAS seen this happen to more than one person.

By juan salguero (69.224.165.236) on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 01:01 pm:

where is that junk yard located e mail me oak1now@aol.com

By Don (199.2.139.209) on Friday, November 19, 2004 - 07:49 am:

They do have the Mugen Body kits for sale they ave me a price of $800 or so, nothing else though

By cody_guldstrand@hotmail.com (Turbo74) (4.34.195.46) on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 11:44 pm:

i talked to King motorsports not to long ago ant they said the they do no have any parts for sale even front lips for the first gen civic. the guy was very nice, it turns out that he is building a 1st gen with all mugen parts. he sent me some pics of his mugen engines if any one wants to see. just e-mail me and i will forward the letter to you

By Justin (24.83.37.82) on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 10:26 pm:

You can borrow it... it's worth more than the wheels
give me a email..
twylajustin@shaw.ca

By osminsd@aol.com (68.7.165.149) on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 11:51 pm:

How much for that luck nut remover or will you let me borrow it?

By Kurt (205.250.75.226) on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 09:21 pm:

Thats exactly what I was referring to, but leave it to Justin to own the Snap On version

By Justin (199.60.112.10) on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 - 09:56 am:

If you are serious about getting the wheels. I can send you a Snap-On lock nut remover kit. It will remove any type of lock nut

By Chaffneue (Chaffneue) (66.183.190.188) on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 10:46 pm:

Can't you just buy a cheap locknut set and use the same tool in it to unscrew it? They're not keys are they? The ones my friend had were just a clover shaped hole, the tool just fit into that hole and unscrewed the fastener.. yeah otherwise, just unbolt the rear suspension components and it'll fall right off.. once you get it home you can remove the hub and wheel and drill out the stud from the rear on a drill press.

-Richard

By Don (199.2.139.222) on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 06:43 pm:

Yes Mugen kits are avalible from King motorsports the USA Mugen distributor. The nut spliter wont work on the lug nut because most of it is sunk in the wheel.

By John S. (68.91.80.208) on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 05:15 pm:

osminsd,
I don't want to discourage you now that we've got you revved up to do it, but I don't think you'll have much luck with a top dollar nutsplitter, let alone a Harbourfreight one. Those locking nuts are usually made from a very strong casehardened steel. I'm being honest it telling you the easiest way is to drop the whole shebang out and weld a nut to the lock. Just be sure to grind the chrome off of the lock first so you can get a good weld. I will buy those radius arms and the stub axles, and the rest of the stuff is worthless unless it does have the threaded struts. Buy the way I would tell the salvage yard owner that too. He might let you bring back what you don't use...depends on how...sane, realistic,and honest HE is. Even though guys like us want SOME parts off of these old Civics, what we want is always very specific, and most importantly there are few of us around. So the yard owners choice is cut you a reasonable deal, or sell it all off buy the pound. Hopefully he is an honest man...that is to say not greedy. If you decide to go that route let me know what you think is a fair price for the pieces I need.

By lazy (139.130.237.102) on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 03:14 pm:

Ramon.. those kits are still available new?

By osminsd@aol.com (68.7.165.149) on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 09:40 am:

Well, I have two wagons now, I can't use the body at all, just the wheels. I'm heading over to Harbor Freight Tools, someone e-mailed me a nut splitter tool. I'm going to see if they can help me. I'll give it one more shot this weekend and see what I can do about the wheels. Thanks for the motivation guys.

By Ramon (207.5.2.130) on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 08:42 am:

You know that body kit would go for $300-$500 right? New they are now $800-$1200 for the 1200 Civic only. Those wheels maybe $150-$200. All that for about an hours work. You will be kicking yourself for a looooong time to lose those very rare and hard to come by parts IMO.

By John S. (66.142.232.243) on Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - 04:19 am:

osminsd,
Yer lookin at the project all wrong...in the time you've already spent trying to get the wheels off you could easily drop the entire rear suspension out of the car wheels and tires included. There are only 2 bolts, one on the inner control arm 14mm, and one bolting the front of the radius rod to the body, also should be a 14mm. Then there are 2 12mm nuts holding each strut in at the top side which you access from the inside of the car.Then you will have to take vicegrips jaws or some other kind of cutter and just cut the brake cables...or if they are in good shape pull them and keep them too. I've done this many times on rust incrusted cars without too much trouble, on Calif cars it will be a snap. Then just take the whole assembly to where ever you can weld a nut on the outside of the locking lug. At that point you can use a regular socket to take it off.
Sometimes what appears to be the easy way is the hard way, and what apppears to be the hard way is often the easy way in the long run. It is a doable deal...if you decide to make it a doable deal.

By Kyle Thomson (24.83.12.187) on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 11:18 pm:

Did you ask the yard guys? If you can't figure it out, I'm sure they will know a way, even if you have to bribe them, don't let those be destroyed!!!

By osminsd@aol.com (68.7.165.149) on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 11:09 pm:

Sorry, not up to cutting anything from those cars. I'm afraid those wheels are lost to the giant crushing machine. I can't get them off. Thanks for the help guys.

By Kurt (205.250.75.226) on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 02:18 pm:

By Kurt (205.250.75.226) on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 02:17 pm:

By Kurt (205.250.75.226) on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 02:14 pm:

Here are some additional photos I obtained of the first gen Civic at the Hope High School. I recall the previous photos I had were of pretty poor quality. Before anyone asks it was a custom kit made by an u/k firbreglasser years ago at one of the local colleges.

Randy, feel free to add these to your web site.

- Kurt

By Jonathan (68.193.6.173) on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 01:22 pm:

How are the quarter panels on that white one? Do you think you'd be able to cut them off if you had the chance?

By John S. (67.65.58.189) on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 11:16 am:

Oh yeah,
I know you are kinda new to this game, there doesn't have to be a coilover setup for there to be some valueable parts under the car. If the strut tops are hexagonal shaped, not round then it has earlier struthousings that could have koni inserts. Anyone who went to so much trouble to do all the bodywork may have been hep to their value and put them on the car. It's only a chance, but worth being sure about. Having a Wagon the rears wouldn't do you any good, but you could use the fronts on your car. If you ever find a set of them you will have no trouble getting rid of them on this site. Being in So.Cal you are in an excellant position to run down some of the parts the rest of us might be looking for. If we as a group don't start rounding up what valued parts are still out there, soon the rest of the stuff will all go to the crusher lost forever and we will all be out of luck, or we will have to become really adept at "making stuff fit". Personally I don't like cobbleing things, and I don't like it when I get under a Honda and find evidence a cobbler has been there before me. Like using a bolt with a 13mm head unstead of the proper 12mm head etc. That kind of crap just drives me crazy.

By John S. (67.65.58.189) on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 10:54 am:

Buy the entire rear suspension off the car. If it is California stuff it will be rust free. I can use the radius rods and rear axle uprights. Once you get it all home weld a nut on the front of the locking lug and take it off. You won't damage the wheel that way.

By Kurt (205.250.75.226) on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 12:53 am:

Check a tire shop. Most of them have wheel lock removal kits as several people lose their keys. Basically they're just like a deep socket but tapered so they grab the lock as you hammer them on. I used them a lot when I was changing tires and although they were not perfect they usually worked.

By osminsd@aol.com (198.81.26.75) on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 12:07 am:

Sorry to report that the car is pretty stripped inside and modern engine is gone also. I have no idea what they had on there. Anyway, the body has no rust, just a dent on the top, like someone dropped a big cinder block lol. I don't care for the flares, so I won't touch the body. As for the wheels....... I was able to take off only one from the front passanger side. Three of them are in excellent shape, one brank new spare. I can't take the one from the front drivers's side, it's bent bad. The two rear wheels are in excellent shape, just dusty. I was able to remove all lug nuts, except one lock nut on each wheel. This is my dilema. Can someone advice me on what to use to remove these wheels? I've used three chisels, all failed and got worn out. I've tried prying the wheels with a big bar, tried sockets and even though they got hammered in, they slide around the lock nuts. My only other option would be to take my recipricating saw and just cut away the whole drum from the strut. Can this be done? What would I have to cut? Oh, there's no coil over on this car, stock suspention. I figured, if I can at least cut away the whole drum assembly, I could then take the wheels somewhere and have someone remove the lock nuts. It'll be a shame to loose these wheels to the crusher. I think the car will be gone by next week. So please, anyone have any more ideas? I can't use any torches inside the yard.

By Don (199.2.139.150) on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 10:07 pm:

Those are sombodies home made copy of the MS1 kit the lines are not the same.I would still snag it if your looking for flares though.

John I had an AT airdam...Frito has it now, it had some good lines but you right, a perfect fit was not one of its strong points.

By John S. (66.143.34.121) on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 09:41 pm:

Oh yeah, one other thought. I'd definitely look the suspension over closely as it may well have some goodies under there, like the early threaded strut housings etc.

By John S. (66.143.34.121) on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 09:35 pm:

The rear flares are moulded on. If it was me I'd either make a deal with the yard owner to go in there and pull moulds right off of the rear quarters, or cut the entire rear quarters off of the car...with a disc cutter, not a torch. They would be worth grabbing, but it will be a lot of work either way. By the way I have a set of the A/T front fiberglas flared fenders that I have had since I bought them from A/T back around '84 or '85. I had the rear pieces too, but I didn't think they fit the car well, and sent them back to A/T. Kinda wish I hadn't done that now, but I still wasn't impressed with how well they fit...not...for that matter the front fenders need major work to fit cosmetically right, but I may just use them on my 1200 someday. I could also pull molds just from the flared portion of them one of these days. Back then you couldn't get good photos of what they would look like on the cars. I have always thought that those flares were too fat for the body and make the car look awkward. Truth is, styling addons should enhance the origional designs, not overpower, or compete with them.
The final problem is, as you can see from the photo, it takes a wheel with a substantial positive offset to fill the flares up, and wheels like that eat wheelbearings like crazy. They were designed for racing purposes, really not a good design for the street.

By Jamie Lay (Boyracer) (24.125.12.123) on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 08:56 pm:

You sellin the wheels???!!!

By Dave (206.172.136.226) on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 08:37 am:

Incredible! Now that must be in the south.

By lazy (165.228.57.19) on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 05:37 am:

omfg.. u better have gotten that kit and the wheels.

By osminsd@aol.com (68.7.165.149) on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 12:31 am:

By osminsd@aol.com (68.7.165.149) on Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 12:30 am:

I was just at the wrecking yard and saw this sweet brown 79 Civic CVCC. It had the whole body kit going on, enki wheels, 205/60-13 Sumitomo tires, some type of new engine and a totaly custom build interior for the modern equipment. The roof was collapsed, but the sides rear and front were in good shape. He must have blown that modern engine and just gave up on this car.

By sdcvcc (68.101.197.93) on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - 11:43 pm:

to make one from scratch you will need cardboard, or hardwood for a mockup. Then you could build on that and shape it with polyurethane foam or similar. Then fiberglass.

By ma2 (202.72.148.102) on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 06:44 pm:

how hard would it be to fabricate my own front spoiler, has any1 done it if so what did they use and what was involved

By felipe casanova (200.74.71.210) on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 10:45 pm:

please do that, always is good to know the civic racing heritage! hey don, do u have msn so i can talk you about some things...

By Don (199.2.139.229) on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 05:31 pm:

The picture is not from the Mugen Catalogs its from a web page just do a google search for "yamato civic" and there is allot of stuff comes up but most of it is in Japanese and no pic's. Hasshan sent me some snaps he took of the car, I will try to get them scanned.

By felipe casanova (200.74.68.184) on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 12:18 pm:

hey, that`s a nice set of flairs, pretty usable on the street!! and by the way could you please post more pics about the catalog? or send me a .zip to my mail with all the strange photos that you have?

By Don (199.2.139.171) on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 06:31 am:

trying again Arrhg

By Don (199.2.139.171) on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 06:28 am:

By lazy (165.228.57.19) on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 06:21 am:

Yeah Don, I have read that post about it being a civic with mugen parts. I (it seems mistakenly) thought the mugen kit was very, VERY wide and that the kit on the hondarevival civic looked just plain wide I guess I'll have to see the kit on offer first hand.. I only asked about it here first because getting in contact with the guy with the kit is no easy task.

By Don (199.2.139.149) on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 05:30 am:

On pictures three and four on that site.. that is the King Body that Malley and John run (a copy of the Mugen MS1) but it looks like he wiped off the air dam thats why it looks slightly different. You might try to get in touch with Mark that runs the rally Civic in OZ he had some small flairs similar to what you like if I remember correctly.

By Don (199.2.139.149) on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 05:22 am:

Ha HA.. He has got a $50 Kamie air dam bolted to the front from Electrodyne.

By Don (199.2.139.149) on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 05:10 am:

Those kits have been around in one form or another since the 70's they are simple flares that bolt on. The best example is the Jackson kit that had small flairs. The sad part is Oscar THREW away the molds because none ever sold! I would have like to be a dumpster diver then

By Don (199.2.139.149) on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 05:05 am:

I thought you knew its been discused here before that is not a Mugen Civic.. its a Civic that has some Mugen parts, but thats the problem every body that has a hot rod Civic calls thier Civic "Mugen" very confusing for new people. Nope Mugen never offered that kit.

By lazy (139.130.237.102) on Sunday, November 07, 2004 - 10:14 pm:

oops :oP www.hondarevival.com

By lazy (139.130.237.102) on Sunday, November 07, 2004 - 10:12 pm:

what sort of kit is on the 'mugen honda' on \link(www.hondarevival.com,www.hondarevival.com}? It looks like a not-so-wide 'Malley Mugen' kit.

By Don (199.2.139.146) on Sunday, November 07, 2004 - 06:44 pm:

Ive got the Mugen catalogs in front of me and there was only one body kit produced by Mugen for the Gen 1 Civic. Thats the style that Malley and John run. It would be interesting to see the other kit though even if its not a true Mugen.

By lazy (139.130.237.102) on Sunday, November 07, 2004 - 05:47 pm:

oh... It's not the crazy-ass widebody type thing (like the one that Adam Malley runs). The guy I'm in contact with said this particular mugen kit is 'much more streetable'.

By lazy (139.130.237.102) on Sunday, November 07, 2004 - 05:43 pm:

I might have a lead on a set of mugen MS2 or MS1 (not sure which) flares. Does anyone here have some photos of either kit?

Thanks heaps.

By cicic (202.6.138.33) on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 05:38 am:

hey can some 1 get me a front air dam got 1 4 sale somebody

By Ted (24.21.44.39) on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 04:06 pm:

Very nice air dam.

By Hugh Johnson (Oneson1) (144.138.198.170) on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 02:55 am:

nice, very nice indeedy, nice, noice!!

hugh

By Andrew Fatseas (203.63.44.193) on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 05:31 pm:

I am stunned, picture upload actually worked for me for a change!

Tim emailed me the pics, here they are:

By Andrew Fatseas (203.63.44.193) on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 05:29 pm:

By lazy (165.228.57.19) on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 06:38 am:

could you please email me the pics?

daydreamer@alexandria.cc

By Tim (210.50.86.91) on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 11:02 pm:

ive had enough, cant be f***d putting pics up, doing my head in

By Tim (210.50.86.91) on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 10:55 pm:

By Tim (210.50.86.91) on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 10:49 pm:

By Tim (210.50.113.113) on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 10:44 pm:

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By lazy (139.130.237.102) on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 09:15 pm:

simple freeware util for resizing/compressing images:
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/photoresizer.html

By lazy (139.130.237.102) on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 09:09 pm:

simple freeware util for resizing/compressing images:
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/photoresizer.html

By lazy (139.130.237.102) on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 09:01 pm:

huh? why not just resize and compress the images?

By Tim (210.50.80.165) on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 08:55 pm:

the pics on my digital camera are too large. ill have to print them off and then scan them onto a disk, then post them. soon...

By lazy (139.130.237.102) on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 10:06 pm:

Tim? Hello? Pics?

By Kyle Thomson (24.83.12.187) on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 06:44 pm:

100kb is the limit

By Andrew Fatseas (203.63.44.193) on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 06:40 pm:

Tim, as below, but also make sure that the image size is small, or they won't post. I think 40KB might be the limit.

By lazy (165.228.57.19) on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 12:38 am:

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By Tim (210.50.218.252) on Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - 10:22 pm:

How do you post pics i have some of the front air dam

By Mboi977 (Mboi977) (206.116.2.218) on Thursday, July 08, 2004 - 12:30 am:

I'm in for a front air dam!! Will they ship to Canada?

By Tim (210.50.219.74) on Tuesday, July 06, 2004 - 07:21 pm:

I rungthe guy and he said he has been busy so its taking longer than expected. i will have to get on his arse and hurry him along. when i get the airdam will post pictures ASAP.

By Andrew Fatseas (203.63.44.193) on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 10:17 pm:

Hey Tim, any pics of that air dam yet?

By mat1200 (202.72.131.230) on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 - 05:29 am:

hey all i would love the wing and front air dam i have a 78 civic and am in the great southern of western australia

By Mike S (144.138.164.18) on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 12:51 am:

Another thing to consider when fitting a front spoiler to a 1G civic, is that these cars rely, to some extent, on the airflow under the sump to help keep the oil cool.

Fitting an air dam significantly reduces this airflow - obviously since that's why they work - but if you're going to be using the car hard, especially in hot weather, you should seriously think about fitting an oil cooler & thermostat.

By Tim (210.50.81.62) on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 07:00 pm:

It will be two weeks before it's ready but once i get it will make sure pics are posted.

By lazy (165.228.57.19) on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 07:22 am:

Oooh yes! I second Andrew's motion - could you pleeease post some photos?

By Mike S. (202.12.233.21) on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 02:43 am:

Tim,

Be aware that different year 1G Civics have a slightly different shape to the front valance panel. I needed to add a piece of light aluminium angle to the centre section of mine to seal against the body properly. I'm sure you will see this when you get the piece from Phil.

Glad all that work back in 1995 isn't going to waste....back then we got 6 orders together (cash up front) to justify making the mould etc.

By Andrew Fatseas (203.63.44.193) on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 01:17 am:

Tim, could you post a picture of the dam once you receive it? I'd be interested in one too possibly...

By Tim (210.50.81.192) on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 12:40 am:

Mike you are a legend, i rang Phil and ordered the front air dam, it wasnt as expensive as suspected (around $160). I have been looking for an air dam for quite a while and was going to get one custom made which would have cost me $800-$1000. Thanks mate

By Mick (Tur8ociv) (202.9.62.157) on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 04:28 pm:

Hi All,
If you are looking for a Mugen wing then send me an email as I have one sitting in the garage that I didn't end up using.

I bought it about 5 years ago and was going to put it on but my concept for the car changed a little and I decided not to install it after all.

If anyone is interested then drop me a line.
mgb1874@yahoo.com.au

Cheers Mick.

By Mike S (202.12.233.21) on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 04:15 pm:

Challenge Fibreglass in Melbourne (525 Burke Road East Hawthorn (03)9822-2998) have the mould for a replica of the Mugen rear wing for the 1G Civic. It's a very labour intensive piece to make (made in 2 parts then bonded together)and so is quite dear. I had mine made about 10 years ago and it cost around $350 from memory. I'd guess you'd be looking at maybe $500+ these days.

Theay also have the mould for a front air dam which we adapted from a Mini sports sedan. These cost around $120 at the time so I guess they'd run to maybe $200 given current labour costs etc.

Give them a call and talk to Phil Lee.

By lazy (165.228.57.19) on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 09:34 am:

aww c'mon... why not?! :P

By Colza (Colza) (219.88.31.162) on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 05:08 am:

I cant imagine seeing one of those hisha civics rolling out of a dealership some how...

By lazy (165.228.57.19) on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 01:15 am:

If the kits were being supplied to a honda dealer, I would imagine they'd be rather tame compared to the likes of the hisha or mugen kits... but you never know so I'd like to register my interest.

By Timothy Locock (210.50.87.216) on Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 12:35 am:

Chris i lve in Melbourne and if you could find the molds i would gladly purchase a body kit. We must find a way to bring these beauties back to life.

Tim

By Hugh Johnson (Oneson1) (144.138.198.195) on Friday, March 19, 2004 - 12:08 am:

Front airdam please!!

hugh

By Chris Elder (211.29.136.13) on Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 08:02 pm:

my dad used to sell bodykits to a honda dealer in south sydney Australia....
I'll have to contact the provider to see if they still have the moulds.

By Dlydrver (Dlydrver) (66.191.203.28) on Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 06:57 pm:

hey all, i'm new to the 1200 civic and i'm just wondering where can i buy body kits for them. i've got a 79', thanks :D