Hi Richard

In relation to the 'snorkel' betwixt rocker cover and air cleaner. I ditched mine and fitted a K&N crankcase breather to the rocker cover instead. I've had no problems with doing that, in fact it stopped crap building up in the top of the engine and the air cleaner. I don't think you should be getting any problems from yours if you've just fitted a new tube.

If memory serves, just drop the sump and you should have access to the pump.

By Al B (66.222.252.147) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 09:49 pm:

My 92 EX-R had the same problem. Kept blasting the oil filter. It turned out the pump was at fault. Siezed valve created extreme oil pressure and the filter was the weakest part of the system. I guess it was a common problem for those Accords.

By Chaffneue (Chaffneue) (64.180.112.150) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 09:12 pm:

Hmm. I guess that's my problem.. how do I get to the oil pump? just pull the sump off and unscrew the pump? or is it reallly buried? how much is a new pump gonna run me? It hacks me off that this car ran fine when i got it and now it has this problem.. :P

-Richard

By gary (67.162.184.219) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 08:02 pm:

I had that happen to me once on a 78 1200. It blew the oil filter off after about 5-10 seconds, and out came all the oil. This engine had over 300,000 miles on it. When i tore it doen i found a small sliver of metal in the oil pump that was jamming the pressure relief valve. I replaced the pump and it now has 396000 miles on it and still going.

By Chaffneue (Chaffneue) (64.180.112.150) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 07:31 pm:

sorry and I use untreated 10W30 motor oil in the engine.. I assume that's correct..

-Richard

By Chaffneue (Chaffneue) (64.180.112.150) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 07:30 pm:

this filter came from a totally different store and apparently a different factory because of the packaging.. I'm at a loss.. What and where are all of the breathers for the crankcase on these motors? perhaps one of them is dirty and the rocker cover is better sealed now.. I've never seen this happen on any vehicle.. and I don't know how it's building up in 10 seconds..

-Richard

By Jonathan (68.193.10.141) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 07:17 pm:

What weight oil are you using? Are you adding any type of oil treatment or any other thick stuff? I can't see why your pressure would be so high it would blow out the oil filter. Have you tried other brands? Maybe there was a bad batch from the factory?

By Chaffneue (Chaffneue) (64.180.112.150) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 07:05 pm:

Ack.. I bought a new filter and it did exactly the same thing! This time I watched what happens.. the motor idles and then the gasket just blows out one side of the filter.. nooo.. what have I done to the motor? the only thing that I have changed about the motor is the oil and polished up the valve cover.. I replaced the snorkel between the valve cover and the carb air intake box and replaced the valve cover gasket. anyone know why the pressure is so high that it's just kicking the gasket out?

-Richard

By Plude716 (4.35.80.210) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 05:06 pm:

I work for a small private garage in Southern California and we have a parts washer cabinet that we use Super Clean in. Ya'll are right... its good stuff! I have found that about 3 parts super clean to 2 parts water works pretty well for stuff that you clean after every use, but 3 to 1 is awesome for cleaning caked of stuff. Is yours heated?

By Dallas_Tom (67.234.16.64) on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 08:13 am:

Kinda off subject but I have a parts washer with pump for washing greasy parts, carbs etc. Not sure what is best to use in it. Castrol Super Clean? At what dilution. Anyone have any experience doing this...Thanks

Tom-

By Colza (Colza) (210.54.66.64) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 10:10 pm:

Make a point of dropping the filter on the desk while its still got a bit of dirty oil it it just accidently of course...

By Chaffneue (Chaffneue) (64.180.112.150) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 08:20 pm:

Hehe.. crap.. that oil filter is defective.. started it today and the same thing happened. this time I had an oil pan under it.. whew.. time to have a little chat with the people at canadian tire.. first they sell me the wrong bearing and now this .. yeesh.. :P Don't think I'll shop there for parts again.. lesson learned..

-Richard

By Shea Laking (Sheaman71) (66.185.85.79) on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 02:49 am:

That Castrol Super Clean IS "The S#!t." No kidding, good stuff.Brake clean works great for quickly cleaning off porous casting type parts quick, though, as also mentioned above.

Glad to hear you got your leak figured out, Richard. Don't be too embarassed or too hard on yourself, the only way you learn to work on cars is with experience. Thanks for letting us know what it was.

Regards,
Shea

By Kurt (66.183.137.163) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 11:37 pm:

I'm with John...Castrol Super Clean is some powerful Sh*t. Its what I used on my oil soaked motor before I replaced the gaskets and seals and repainted the block. Just be careful it really does corrode the skin oh the burning sensation....

By Chaffneue (Chaffneue) (64.180.112.150) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 10:02 pm:

I used brake cleaner and it did a good job.. but I would like to wash down the engine since it's so damn dirty

-Richard

By Kyle Thomson (24.69.255.203) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 10:00 pm:

I've been changing oil for a living for about 5 years now, and all I use is brake clean, it breaks down the oil so it runs right off, and self dries so I don't have to wash of every customers car. Hosing an engine down is fine if you want to get everything clean, just don't hit the distributor or anything electrical straight on. Its also a good idea to wash it down with the car running, that way if your engine starts to sputter you know if your hosing something you shouldn't be

By Chaffneue (Chaffneue) (64.180.112.150) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 09:52 pm:

can you just hose down a car engine? I'm coming from the world of classic scooters.. if you hose those down, they usually wont start again )

-Richard

By Jonny (24.68.208.246) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 09:21 pm:

Go to Crappy tire and get some castrol superclean.. soak the motor and the motor bay in this stuff and hose/power wash it all off shee'll come out nice and clean

By Chaffneue (Chaffneue) (64.180.112.150) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 06:57 pm:

anyone have a good way to get oil off of the manifolds?

-Richard

By Chaffneue (Chaffneue) (64.180.112.150) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 05:15 pm:

All my fault as usual.
I guess I went a little too gung-ho on tightening the filter, looks like it got kinked and therefore pulled the bottom part of the gasket into the pump area.. so it was all just being pumped out of the car.. Don't know why that didn't happen when I first drove the car.. I hadn't tightened it since that.. hmm.. anyway.. looks like it's okay now.. if it happens again, I'll be writing fram a nasty letter for some free kitty litter the seams on the filter seem to be good.. no leaking from the stuff inside.. I have to go get some more oil

-Richard

By Shea Laking (Sheaman71) (66.185.85.79) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 04:47 pm:

Richard,

Jonathan's point about double gaskets on the oil filter is a good one. I just went out and checked my engine block in the garage (1977 EB2 1200) and the oil pressure switch passage is actually on the BACK side of the engine, opposite the oil filter mounting. That cast in "hole" beside your oil filter is just a blind, unthreaded hole. It doesn't need anything in it to plug it.

I have one other thought from previous personal experience. The oil filter itself might actually be leaking. Occasionally, the crimped seam at the open end of the filter (looks like the edge on a tin can), will not be crimped properly and that seam can leak under normal operating oil pressure. I used to work in a Canadian Tire shop and also in a Ford dealership shop and I've seen both of those brands of filters fail in this manner. Coincidentally, your engine has a Fram filter on it, who supplies filters for both Motomaster and Motorcraft.

I would suggest purchasing Genuine Honda oil filters. According to my buddy Colin (CVCCx2), they are still available at the dealership. I hope my ideas have been of some help, best of luck in fixing your problem. Please let us know how it works out.

Regards,
Shea

By bruce (66.20.228.222) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 04:40 pm:

make sure the gasket on the oil filter is good...it might be pinched or broke. Jonathan said.....oh and jonathan.....package is in the mail.

By Jonathan (68.193.10.141) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 04:19 pm:

There's an oil pressure switch near the filter, maybe it's leaking around there? Possiblly it was bumped while the filter was being changed. Also, things to check are if the filter is missing the gasket, has two gaskets, or if there's crud on the mating surface. Wiggle the dipstick tube to see if it is coming out around the base, but if it's only coming out under pressure, I'd suspect the filter or the oil pressure switch.

By Chaffneue (Chaffneue) (64.180.112.150) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 04:16 pm:

I'm not sure.. I just got scared and killed the engine right away. when I pulled the dipstick, there was oil all the way up it, but the seal was not wet with oil..

-Richard

By Jonny (24.64.223.204) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 04:13 pm:

Is it coming out of the dipstick?

By Chaffneue (Chaffneue) (64.180.112.150) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 04:06 pm:

Nope.. looks like it's spraying out somewhere under the exhaust manifold. Check out these pictures.. It's high enough that the spray is hitting the bottom of the oil filter.. the oil filter is as tight as I can get it. I'm scared to start it again until it's sealed.. it's made a huge mess of the street.. Is something supposed to go in that hole to the side of the oil filter?

http://scoot.net/gallery/bbs/leak1.jpg
http://scoot.net/gallery/bbs/leak2.jpg

-Richard

By Ted (63.224.195.169) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 02:49 pm:

Is it leaking from the front crank seal?

By Chaffneue (Chaffneue) (64.180.112.150) on Friday, April 23, 2004 - 02:26 pm:

The car was running just fine yesterday. no probs at all.. I got to start it up and the oil low light comes on. I look out the window to see if I have a leak, and basically the entire contents of the oil pan is on the street 8@ .. so I tightent the oil filter (but it's pretty tight), and then I go and get some more oil and try to see whre the leak is coming from by running the engine. All over again, it just pours out of a spot near the oil pan...just to the side of the drivebelt pulleys.. there's no oil on the alternator belt or the timing belt. have I lost a bolt somewhere? is there something that might have rattled out yesterday? it doesn't leak when the car is not running.

lame..

-Richard