Hedders are not that hard to build yourself if your good at tig welding. So NOBODY even called Kirk?

By Butch (216.40.234.136) on Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 11:22 pm:

Has anyone checked into "Headers by ED"? I don't know if they have a header kit specificially for 1200's but they have a lot of information about header systems and they seem to have a good collector without the high price. They also have a lot of information about DIY kits using curved and straight tubing. You can find them at www.headersbyed.com

By Kurt (207.6.122.14) on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 07:19 pm:

As the header run seems to have slipped away this may help some of you out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7909425429

By Don (199.2.139.192) on Monday, May 31, 2004 - 05:47 am:

http://www.kirkracing.com/
Call them their header was not the best but I heard it was made from thick quality steel and its allot better than the stock manifold.

By Jeff Long (2000r) (199.82.243.72) on Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 06:48 am:

I still want one if anybody can get it done.

By luckyluciano2 (68.104.196.30) on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 08:09 am:

screw this guy he is giving me the run around. sorry if i come up with somthing i will let you guys know

By luckyluciano2 (68.104.196.30) on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 12:06 am:

i guess he has a jig from a header set up they did for an after martket company back in the 80's the design is much like the one adrian has only i think the primaries are longer before they collect to two pipes. let me see if i can get over there and look at it next week.

By Don (199.2.139.229) on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 10:48 pm:

Whos doing them? What design are they doing?
Have they done a 1200 header before? I was just thinking that if they didn't have a jig they would have to make one then do a test fit.

By luckyluciano2 (68.104.196.30) on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 03:21 pm:

ok here's the scoop so far looking more like $250 but trying to get it down. the more we do the cheaper id say we only need 6 people to get em done so, let me know who is interested for sure and i will get this guy to commit.

By Edgar F Sanchinelli (Frito) (66.154.131.24) on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 02:03 pm:

I should have mine soon. I'll post pics.

Frito

P.S. It isn't like the S&S I had, this one goes through the grill too.

By Dave (206.172.136.4) on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 11:35 pm:

My header is a Hooker and it sticks out the front with the long straight run.

By Don (199.2.139.222) on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 07:56 pm:

The design was Jacksons but Bassani did make them so did another company I think it was Eldelbrock but I'm not sure.
$230 isn't bad at all for a quality jig built piece that fits.

By Ted (24.21.44.39) on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 07:30 pm:

Isn't Bassani the company that made the header that sticks out the front with the very long primaries?

By luckyluciano2 (68.104.196.30) on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 01:26 am:

yeah they are not cheap but i think the guy is gonna do it on the side like $230 each. not horrible but not cheap

By Don (199.2.139.236) on Monday, May 17, 2004 - 08:51 pm:

Bassani was the header manufacture for Jackson.

By Don (199.2.139.197) on Monday, May 17, 2004 - 08:30 pm:

I think Oscar said that Belanger were the ones who originaly made the 1200 headers for him. I will have to check my notes. Those guys are not cheap! Even Oscar said so, But hey begars cant be choosers. I was trying to keep the price down because then more people may step up for a set.

By luckyluciano2 (68.104.196.30) on Monday, May 17, 2004 - 08:13 pm:

i got a phone call into a guy who works for b&b-tri-flo, and belengers about the headers if the s&s dont come through bare with me. im real busy but il do my best.

By Don (199.2.139.241) on Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 07:48 pm:

Nope it was not fifteen...even though thats what they said! Seems with S&S you have to get them in a good mood then make them stick to it. I found this was true on the first deal, they would say one thing then change their mind.

I only counted 4-5 serious people. Seems like the tri-y would be more labor and so cost more $?

By Ted (63.224.195.169) on Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 01:01 pm:

If John would be willing to be the broker for this run, I'll bet they would lower the number down to ten or even lower, if John has the money in his hands.

By farenheight101 (24.81.186.97) on Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 11:37 am:

When we tried a couple months ago I thought it was 15 orders...

By john stallone (68.104.196.30) on Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 09:18 am:

you know when i spoke to him he was willing to make me one, so honestly i dont know. i think they just felt cuase im in town it would be less easy to get screwed or somthing i dont know. well you guys let me know i have two headers now so, i dont need one but il help out if you need me to.

By Don (199.2.139.156) on Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 02:28 am:

Thats cool but with the amount of people that spoke up.... last time I checked S&S needed 20 people before they would even consider a run right?

By luckyluciano2 (68.104.196.30) on Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 12:26 am:

i spoke to the main fabricator over at S&S when i bought my last header (S&S 20min from my house)and he said he had a jig for an even better design somewhere for our cars. i will see what i could come up with from him, also i had 3 differnt sets of headers made up for this car over the years the 421 set up i had was by far the best on mild engines, it was a knock off of the rs with longer primaries and i think equal lenght i will see if i have a pic.

By Don (199.2.139.239) on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 10:44 pm:

My own design, I have been looking at all the chassis trying to figure out why some work and others are duds. I have a ton of books on chassis design too will have to wait and see... as they say proof is in the making. Body should be in my garage by next week. ZOOM ZOOM

By Ted (63.224.195.169) on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 09:04 am:

Don, I didn't notice. But I did see Tom mentions the EB's in his engine choices for DSR builds. Those video's of racers is pretty impressive. There is an old video of a guy racing at Sears Point in 1988, and from his steering you can see he was drifting some.

The DSR's appear to be extremely quick. What Chassis are you thinking of working from?

By Don (199.2.139.176) on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 09:06 pm:

Ted did you notice Tom the guy who set up the dsr site is also the original builder of my Civic? He is a 1200 fan too

By Ted (63.224.195.169) on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 08:50 am:

Don, what a cool project.

The Honda CBR 1000RR power plant would make an awsome engine

http://dsr.racer.net/

By Zippy (Zippy) (12.106.14.107) on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 06:57 am:

DSR is a great class. Good luck, it should suit you well.

By Don (199.2.139.226) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 06:42 pm:

Zippy its a D sports racer in SCCA Road racing or a B modified in Auto X.

Weight is 900 lbs with driver, 2" above the ground, 150+ HP, 10" slicks.

By Andrew Fatseas (203.63.44.193) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 05:49 pm:

mat1200, if you're in Australia and an exhaust shop offers you a set of extractors for your car, you can pretty safely say that they are Hurricane 4-1 jobbies, which suck. They are a waste of money and no better than the cast manifold.

By scholzj (128.193.24.85) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 12:19 pm:

I am interested in a header for my 1200 but I can't buy it untill next month. When do you think we will need to pay for them? and if it is soon would there be anyone who might buy one for me so that I cauld pay them back once I get a pay check?
Thanks
Jeremy

By Zippy (Zippy) (12.106.14.107) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 08:40 am:

Yes, headers with a new exhaust will do a lot of good. I would recommend it as the first performance upgrade for the car. Second would be a carb upgrade and that would be followed by a hotter cam.

Don, what class is that going to be?

By Uberdork (Uberdork) (210.49.50.139) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 06:06 am:

Sorry for the simple question, but I'm new to these cars.

I have a 77 civic 1200, would these things you're tryig to get remade fit onto this?

Will simply getting one of these things increase performance over stock exhaust headers?

By mat1200 (202.72.131.230) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 05:08 am:

hey all i got quoted about $250 Australian dollars for a set of 1200 headers dont know much about them but some exhaust joint in town said that a new set of headers will cost about 250

By Charles R. (69.110.21.16) on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 01:36 am:

Holy cow Don! Now THERE'S a project!

I'm not holding my breath, but I may have found my Dune Buggy body as well. Here's looking forward to some future fun competition.

By Don (199.2.139.156) on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 01:05 am:

This is a picture of the start of my latest project. It was looking scary a week ago sent the money and the guy never would ship it. A well placed call to the sherrif took care of that and it should be here within the next few weeks.
Jacob will be helping me with the chassis design. It will be Honda powered too but CBR1000 or 954.

I dont know if I will cut the 1200 loose or not its a cool little car that I probably could never duplicate again.

By Don (199.2.139.156) on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 12:54 am:

Luckly I still have the one on the car and the spare just incase that one gets damaged. I should have ordered about 5 after all the trouble we went though on S&S run #1 because it looks to be the one and only. I have been real lucky even the off course rides haven't damaged the header.

By Chaffneue (Chaffneue) (64.180.112.150) on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 11:13 pm:

Still a 4 stroke Noob here, but what good would a header do with stock exhaust plumbing.. or is the idea that you uprate the exhaust system while you're at it? where would you get such parts if they were needed? I get this feeling any exhaust shop would kind of laugh at me if I brought them a header and told them to make it work on such an old car.

-Richard

By Edgar F Sanchinelli (Frito) (63.105.29.199) on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 10:39 pm:

I may be contacting AN-R to make my header. I have to see what he needs to do so.

Frito

Don, are you in need of one? Or do you still have your two?

By Don (199.2.139.213) on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 07:16 pm:

Toby, Bill, Jeff and Frito maybe Jason
Four serious people? Maybe this is not going to happen. I would be contacting Kirk racing to check about a header if I were one of those four. Even a bad header is allot better than the stock exhaust.
Also if you four approached Kirk you may be able to get a small design change if those four were set up the same. I still have the computer engine design software if someone wants to pick up the ball and call and get specs. Sometimes just small changes to a design will make a dud into a good design.

By Don (199.2.139.185) on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 06:45 pm:

I know two headers at least went to Canada last run. I guess they had better jobs? or you figured wrong.

By Randy (199.243.98.218) on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 12:16 pm:

Ed
I just figured it out and with out duties it comes to $488.78cdn. When I get my car back I am going to see a guy in Ajax that does custom exhaust and headers, I need a new muffler anyway and I would rather put the money into some local company. It may not be as good as what Don can get but might be a little cheaper.

By Ed (66.185.85.79) on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 10:17 am:

count me out... if it is over $400 CDN.... we can probably get one made here for that much. I HOPE !!

Randy:

I have a friend who had custom headers... yes 2... for his CUDA made for $500 ... are you interested ??

By bruce (68.156.75.30) on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 10:06 am:

to bad a cvcc header run could not be gotten together, I know a few of the cvcc dudes on here would like a set..(I have 2 sets) but with the problems I saw with the 1200 run last year.

By Ted (63.224.195.169) on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 09:15 am:

The S&S headers were quality long tube, two piece 16 guage header for $170-175 plus a parallel merge collector was a $50 option. The headers came with decent collector as is, and would work fine, but the parallel merge collector is well worth the money.

By Randy (199.243.98.218) on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 05:12 am:

Count me out & sorry for the trouble.

I just figured out the cost is too high to ship to Canada with the freight, Exchange, Duties, Taxes, brokerage fees. Price will exceed $400.00cdn. And there is the risk!

By Don (199.2.139.226) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 08:09 pm:

WE need serious people a few flakes almost caused the last run to fall so I have no leeway here. Manufacures dont care about maybees and mights.
If you have specail shipping requirements then we can ask the manufacture to ship it. The only difference I can see is your going to have a bigger postage bill.

By Randy (24.112.121.191) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 03:03 pm:

Would have to ship to Canada before I would committ.

By Edgar F Sanchinelli (Frito) (66.154.131.25) on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 11:09 am:

count me in guys

frito

By Don (199.2.139.151) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 08:04 pm:

http://www.kirkracing.com/

sells 1200 headers or used to sell/ but they have a poor design acording to Todd. IF we get a few people maybe they will update the design like S&S did to uor specs. Dont know but I do know we had better get alot more interest soon

By Don (199.2.139.151) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:56 pm:

421 would probably be a good run. I would even get a copy of that to test with. In the USA the labor would be much more that the 4-1 design though. Just a note if we do get enough to do the S&S thing again they had a lower cost optioned collector that knocked the price to ??? I dont remember but somebody should know. For the budget guys.

By Adrian (Evocivic) (165.228.11.61) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:43 pm:

It's a motorkhana special.

By Lazy (165.228.57.19) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:30 pm:

What sort of car is that in? It doesn't look quite stock :P

By Adrian (Evocivic) (165.228.11.61) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 07:05 pm:

Personally I always found the RS 4-2-1 to be pretty good, but probably not the best for absolute top end power. Just for interest's sake, this is what the Mugen 4-2-1 looks like (note the uneven length primaries).

By Andrew Fatseas (203.63.44.193) on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 06:18 pm:

How about making something similar in design to the old cast RS 4-2-1 header? People rave about that header, supposedly makes very good midrange power so good for the street...

By slopitch (216.210.152.40) on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 09:30 pm:

I just want to add a couple of comments about the S&S header that I bought in the last run.

First, thanks Don for making that happen. I am a little late saying it but better late than never.

Second, I installed mine about 3 weeks ago on a rebuilt EN1 bottom and EB2 head. The fit was great. I did have to shave the front brace but the rest of the fit is perfect. It sounds awesome and the motor has lots of power, even more when I get it all dialed in.

And, I would recommend to anyone who wants a header to jump on this opportunity for another run of S&S headers.

Mike

By Jason (Roadwarrior) (24.80.29.179) on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 09:04 pm:

I have a few questions to those who already have aftermarket headers.

Are there any fitment problems on 1.2 and (1.3 Canadian models)? The current stock exhauset manifold configuration has a single downpipe, which is clamped to the engine block. Is there a need for a special clamp for the dual downpipe?

Are the headers a two peice design with a flange mating to the downpipe? Like the DC Sports design?
Is this going to be an exact copy of the S&S? I've seen some pics b4, but I haven't actually seen one installed on a 1200 Civic.
What sort of a performance gain is there? Is there a big difference, besides just the sound?

If anyone can give me some info, then I will definitely be in with this group buy.

By Don (199.2.139.182) on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 08:48 pm:

You didn't have to cut the sheet metal alot of people did though.

By Kurt (207.6.118.139) on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 08:38 pm:

Was the Jackson Racing the design where you had to cut out the lower vallance to make it fit?

By test (24.69.255.203) on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 07:34 pm:

test

By test (24.69.255.203) on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 07:25 pm:

test

By Don (199.2.139.208) on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 07:14 pm:

The old Jackson design sucks Mostly because it has HUGE primaries (1 1/2") and it sticks out almost as far as the bumper. If you have a GT5 Car then its probably usable but its old tech.
I had one... sold it, S&S merge makes way more power though the whole range. Its less likely to get dinged too.

By Edgar F Sanchinelli (Frito) (66.154.131.25) on Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 10:13 am:

Would be nice to copy the old Jackson design. Anyway, if I don't hear back in this week from the person who is to sell a header to me. Then I guess I'll be part of another groupbuy for an S&S header with merge collector.

Thakns

frito

By Don (199.2.139.166) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 07:36 pm:

To do S&S its 20 but I will try to find a fabricator to do them if we hit 12+
I bought 2 also and there was a few other people that did. The S&S merge header is a nice piece not perfect, but very good for the $$.
The merge makes the 1200 sound like a super bike
Once we hit the # then we can discus design options

By Toby Plemons (Radmobile) (205.188.116.204) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 07:29 pm:

How many are needed to make this go through?

By Bryan (66.245.23.77) on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 06:33 am:

yea.....I remember because I bought 2 to make sure it went through and I know others did that also.

By Jeff Long (2000r) (199.82.243.74) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 02:50 pm:

I am in.
Jeff

By Toby Plemons (Radmobile) (64.12.117.16) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 10:11 am:

I am in

By Don (199.2.139.177) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 07:30 am:

OK No pretty sure, maybe's etc. Sorry but those of you that were arround for the first run know what a crazy deal that was when all the maybe/ pretty sure people backed out. It almost caused the whole deal to fall.

By Jason (Roadwarrior) (24.80.29.179) on Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 03:03 am:

i have a 77' 1200, the original exhaust manifold has a single downpipe. Does the aftermarket head fit well?

i probably need more info. but i am pretty sure on getting an aftermarket performance header

rocketttman@rocketmail.com

By Ed (24.100.5.141) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 08:58 pm:

We recently sold our car which freed up some money

SO..... I am in... just don't tell my wife !!

:-)

Ed
Oshawa, Ontario

By BillA (68.102.121.211) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 05:17 pm:

I would buy another header.
The S&S run was a good deal.
Tri-Y or 4-1 ?

By Toby Plemons (Radmobile) (152.163.253.2) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 05:11 pm:

Let me know if this can happen. I have a 78 1200

tobyshonda@hotmail.com

By Toby Plemons (Radmobile) (152.163.253.2) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 05:06 pm:

I need one pretty bad. I cracked mine at the track.

By Don (199.2.139.183) on Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 04:54 pm:

OK heres the deal after looking at the thread about the scammers
I know Frito wants a header bad and has money. Who else wants one and has money in hand. I would say figure $225 - $250 USD plus shipping
I'm thinking of pursuing a different route (not S&S)as I dont think we will get up that high any more but how many people are for real? If I have some #'s then I can see what our options are.
I'm not making a dime in fact it will probably cost me money in phone call and lost work, just trying to help you whiners out
Nothing solid just a shot, send no money till its a done deal.