By Don (199.2.139.170) on Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 04:51 pm: |
I talked to the guy who does the sand castings he is not even close to being able to do a run for 1200's no matter what the cost. He did say that the mugen cover was probably not a sand casting.. even though that is what we would be stuck with for the low #'s that we want and the cost to tool up would probably scare you guys for such a limited demand. He did say that the CNC work to finish a rough sand casting would probably cost more than the casting itself.
By John S. (149.174.164.72) on Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 10:57 am: |
Back to the Mugen rocker cover question.
Firstly a metal casting shrinks a few percent depending on the metal being cast , so that might make some difference in fit...clearance, posible leakage etc. The origional pattern was fabricated to account for this fact of foundry work. This might be a problem, and it might not, but it needs to be researched before anyone spends any money. Might be as simple as adding a little clay (temporary) in the areas where leakage might be a problem i.e. the gasket seal. Any clearance issues could be handled with a die grinder etc., so those potential problems might be time consuming but really not that much of a deal.
The cheapest way to get this going would be to find a foundry to cast the rough pieces and do the necessary machining to get them to fit and seal properly, but not spend time on the appearance aspect of the finish work, to be left to each purchaser. That would be time consuming for us to do, but that aspect alone (polishing) would easily add 150 to 200 US dollars to the price tab.
I will add that I would love to have one of those pieces ever since I saw the first picture of one on Dr Zoom...Jim Pietras car...
P.S. haven't heard from you in a while, Jim...
By Bryan (66.245.82.195) on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 05:57 am: |
I'm trying to find an insult in what Don said. People don't realize how much time and effort he put into the first header run.......with no profit on his part. Time is money in any business.
There were so many people on this board that gave a verbal OK to go ahead and then to just back out at the last minute. Don spent countless hours on the phone and internet shopping on all of our behalfs. The deal almost fell through because of those people that could not get their acts together.
I have seen many names come and go on this board. I notice that there are a lot of new names here lately too. So people, don't get your feelings hurt so quickly. Don's time is very valuable and he does not want it wasted unneccesarily.
I'm through now. (he steps off of his soap box)
By Don (199.2.139.241) on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 01:48 am: |
Easy there Matt, I know of at least one here in the USA, But it all has to happen together. And The currency difference between the USA and OZ wont help matters if your wanting a copy. Seriously it wont matter if we get a pattern or not if the prices to copy are crazy. I think we would have to have allot more than 20 orders to get a reasonable price but it doesn't hurt to check. Thanks to John and Rick for the kind words.
By mat1200 (203.14.53.41) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 08:38 pm: |
stop bitching every1 if any1 has info about the cover post it if not shut the help up and keep ur childish insults to your self or go sum place other than here
By Quikrick (Quikrick) (63.204.16.66) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 11:28 am: |
We all communicate in different ways. We should try hard not to get offended by a comment that was not really meant to be malicious.
Example; my wife says she's communicating with me, I see it as whining. It's how you percieve and are percieved.
INSTANT misunderstanding.
By Randy (199.243.98.218) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 10:36 am: |
I totally agree with you John,
But that does not give him the right to insult and to make unfounded claims about my character either.
I am willing to apologize for my behavior to all members of this board including Don, but I don’t think that anyone should be abused in this fashion without getting their facts straight before making claims.
By John S. (64.12.117.16) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 10:05 am: |
What else is there to be said here. We all know and respect the level and achievement as well as the technical knowledge and experiance that Don possesses.
By Randy (199.243.98.218) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 06:20 am: |
Then just shut your insulting mouth up and end it now.
By Don (199.2.139.173) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 06:11 am: |
Its not my job to baby sit you Randy, you either want a header or to help in the valve cover run or you don't. Sorry you got your feelings hurt. There is too many cool people on the board to waste web space trading insults with you.
By Randy (199.243.98.218) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 05:35 am: |
Don, Making another nasty response.
“Clue” Is there some kind of mystery.
You just can't give a straight answer to a statement you made about something you know nothing about. So saying derogatory things that have nothing to do with the subject at hand is your way of not answering. I Just figured you out for a big mouth that likes to be heard above the crowd.
"Real Nice"
Good Day
By mat1200 (202.72.131.230) on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 04:57 am: |
hey guys i have the standard cover now just painted red looks ok but i want to be differant to most 1200's so the mugen logo would help set it apart i am keen to get a replica but i dunno if i have the cash i am in thy process of doing some work to my engine so that will come 1st but if the mugen cover is not 2 much then i am very keen also can i get a price in Australain $'s thanks
By Don (199.2.139.232) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 10:16 pm: |
Ya I know what you meant. Anybody heard from PJ in New mexico. He was sick or something and thats the last I heard from him. That was over a year ago.
Back on topic there was a place that I think it was John found that a company allready makes finned aluminum valve covers for the 1200 Here in the USA pretty reasonable. It doesn't have the cool Mugen logo though
By Andrew Fatseas (203.63.44.193) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 09:53 pm: |
Last LSD I meant to say.
By Andrew Fatseas (203.63.44.193) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 09:52 pm: |
Hi Don,
The air filter was from a Nissan Patrol 4WD (SUV for you guys I suppose). I'm not sure what model or whether it was available in the US. Basically I just walked into the filter shop with the base plate and said "Do you have something this size?".
I obviously should have bought that last one rather than point PJ in the right direction when he asked me about it! Oh well.
BTW Don, I finally started cleaning up and rebuilding that Weber you sold me ages ago. US fuel is obviously a lot cleaner than the crap we get here cos the carb has hardly any build up or deposits inside despite its age... either that or it was hardly used. The jets may even work my engine.
By Don (199.2.139.232) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 09:45 pm: |
It looks cool thats about it.
Adrian tried to get another run of the Quafie style going but I dont think it went anywere his guy had a heart attack or something. Mark M was the one that got the first run done I think. Race craft just had a few of the same for sale. NLA I think.
I have a Mugen Lsd but I would buy one(lsd)if someone can get a run going. There is a place in the USA that can do a lsd for the 1200 for arround 750 but its a clutch type. PJ bought the last Quaffie style from Mark and said it worked awesome.
Oh Andrew I think it was you that found a replacement filter element for the RS Carbies? What was it off of?
By Andrew Fatseas (203.63.44.193) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 09:28 pm: |
Speaking of LSDs, is anyone still making the Quaife one that Racecraft used to advertise on their website?
By Andrew Fatseas (203.63.44.193) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 09:28 pm: |
My apologies for my ignorance, but does the Mugan rocker cover do anything substantial other than look cool? Does it act as a heatsink?
By Don (199.2.139.232) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 09:21 pm: |
Oh thats USD.... I was talking to Adrain a year or so back about the Run of LSD's and it seems that Oz has cheaper maufacturing costs than the USA. Any good casting shop can do the job. A valve cover is a pretty low tech piece.
By Don (199.2.139.232) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 09:17 pm: |
Randy Your A Dope
If you had a clue then maybe I could take your comments seriously Mugen Covers are rare but your not the only one that has one.
The Cobra valve covers are about 180 a pair but they are made in large #'S A small run would cost more but who knows unless I get more info.
By Randy (24.112.121.191) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 08:56 pm: |
"I guess they had better jobs" What does that mean Don?
How could you possably guess if they have better jobs or not, or you just dont know and you are shooting your self in the foot for some sick reason.
I don't think this kind of statement helps your cause at all, unless you used us as an excuse to dump what you started. But do I commend you on taking the burden of going to the trouble to set something like this up, but that is part of the territory.
http://www.civic1200.com/discus/messages/1/6978.html?1084003571
Just to get things clear I want nothing to do with a run on these valve covers. I was just asking the question on HOW it is done.
Thank you for the inforamtation Don.
By Mike S (202.12.144.21) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 08:45 pm: |
Don,
Roughly how much do you think such a repro would cost? (ballpark) $100? $250? $500? What do the Cobra reps go for(as a benchmark)?
Presumably you'd need a committed run of 10 - 20?
Mike S(in Eastern Australia!)
By Don (199.2.139.182) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 06:53 pm: |
Its easy to reproduce them.
You use the orignal part to make a mold (casting)It doesn't hut it a bit and then do the finish machine work. A freind of a freind does the "COBRA" valve cover reproductions for the early shelbys. I can inquire about a run if you wish, but after the results of every other part I tried to get people to step up for I wouldn't get my hopes up.
By Randy (24.112.121.191) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 05:08 pm: |
John
How would you reproduce them?
I have one that I am taking off soon to get it repainted.
By John S. (205.188.116.204) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 01:28 pm: |
Stand in line...I've only seen two examples of it, and neither was in person, only on this website. I bet there might be a market for them if someone who has on wanted to have some reproduced from it.
By mat 1200 (202.72.131.230) on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 04:18 am: |
hey all i am interested in a mugen rocker cover i live in western australia
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