Jonathan, the tires are 185-60-13. The stock ones are 155-80-13, stock are taller.
That's the stock ride height for the wagon. I guess with the lower profile of the 185-60s it "looks" kinda high.
I found this on the Pontiac Trans Am page... third from the top on the left.
http://www.thepontiactransampage.com/appliance.html

By bruce (4.159.56.203) on Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - 06:05 am:

I have a set of rims just like that sitting in my shed. And Don is right, 205/60's are a little tall, I had to buy 2 going cross country and put them on the rear, every time I hit a bump they rubbed. I run 195/60's with no problems. When I changed my rear struts I put front springs in the back, I am now running the 205's in the back, I can put 200 to 300 lbs. in the back of my car now and they still don't rub. But it looks like I have jacked up the rear like everyone did in the 70's.

By Jonathan (68.193.10.141) on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 06:40 pm:

Hey Rick, what size tires do you have on your car? Is that the stock ride height for the wagon? It looks rather high. The wheels look good though, congrats on your find! Any ideas on what to use for center caps?

By Quikrick (Quikrick) (63.204.16.66) on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 06:00 pm:

I always seem to stumble upon "one more thing I can't live without"!
These are old school Appliance wheels, popular in the '70s, 13"x6" with a 35mm offset. The offset is borderline, might rub a bit if I lower the wagon too much.

By Don (199.2.139.147) on Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 08:14 am:

Nope Lazy thats not correct

The 1st gens came with very small tires and wheels just getting a 205 60 13 with out rubbing On a mildly lowerd civic requires you HAVE the right offset.

I remember someone put some 175 60 13 Yokahamas on stock accord enkies and had rubbing problems.

I know my 185's would kill the fenders with a 19mm offset unless you ran the car at stock height or raised it.

By lazy (165.228.57.19) on Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 07:21 am:

Errr.. surely you'd have to have a pretty funky offset to get that problem.

By Don (199.2.139.206) on Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 07:18 am:

uhh forget the wear part of the offset problem....How about the fact that your tires wont fit in the wheel well!

By lazy (165.228.57.19) on Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 05:22 am:

aaah.. thanks

what's the offset for our civics? +38? can you be a couple of mm out without it really having an effect?

By Civic_Rocket (Civic_Rocket) (203.222.88.23) on Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 04:22 am:

Wrong offset wheels puts extra pressure on parts like ball joints and wheel bearings.
Imagine a line drawn through the angle the strut (or ball joints) takes to the ground, then a line straight down through the center of your tyre.
Ideally these lines should intersect at the point of contact at the ground. A different offset moves the position of the center of your tyre and makes these points intersect above or below the ground.
If you are good at your maintenance and dont mind checking and replacing parts regularly, this shouldn't be a problem.
Just be aware that altering offset can affect the life of these parts.

By lazy (165.228.57.19) on Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 02:08 am:

I know what offset is i.e. how they take the measurement... but what happens if u get some wheels with the wrong offset?

By Don (199.2.139.211) on Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 09:42 pm:

The offset is wrong too for a honda

By Kurt (207.6.43.211) on Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 05:45 pm:

I hate to be the one to break the news to you but I hope you bought these for your Toyota as these will not work on your Honda. You need a 4X120 bolt pattern or the 4X100 and thats IF you did the 4x100 conversion.

- Kurt

By lilbucu (140.142.169.120) on Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 05:41 pm:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43955&item=2478320208&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWN:IT

what do you guys think? i just did a impulse buy, hopefully the offset is ok. i'm picking them up tmrw.