77 cvcc engine
Civic1200 Discussion Board: : 77 cvcc engine
Yes, I'm very sure about the Dealer installed A/C systems. I made lots of money doing them. Honda planned for the cars to have A/C installed, thus the places to put the switches (blank spots in dash). The cars were coming in to the U.S. so slowly at that time, they were doing the basic's at the factory and doing all the rest here. And they were so popular in '77 & '78, you could put $100 down and wait to be called when they came in. Sometimes that took months.
The A/C units came from Kansas City if I remember correctly and were factory authorized. That's why they were listed in the Honda Service Manuals (U.S. version).
I figured it out after taking apart motor mount and reading this post. Put a straight edge in and found the inner belt goes Crank-> Water Pump-> Alt. The outer belt is crank-> A/C. What tipped me off was dealer installed A/C. Thanks for the input all.
That's what it looks like in the picture, but if the A/C belt also went around the water pump using the second (outer) groove, then it wouldn't line up right. I'm betting it goes inner crank pulley -> water pump -> A/C Compressor inner groove -> back to crank for the inner belt, and outer groove of the crank to the alternator and back for the outer belt.
Are both grooves in the CVCC A/C pulley the same diameter? I have a 1200 pulley that has a smaller outer groove that I was thinking about trying to use. It looks like it will just spin my alternator a little slower than before.
Kurt, would you be able to scan-in and e-mail any of the A/C information you have? Especially the wiring diagram. I'm still trying to figure out exactly where to wire all this stuff up to.
Also, I've heard that NONE of the Honda's coming over here from Japan had A/C installed, they were all installed at the dealer. So original Honda equipment? Yes. Factory? No. Dealer installed accessory.
Hi all,
In one of my books it appears when the alternator is "high mounted" (with the pulley facing the upper timing cover)for A/C systems:
1st belt runs from the inner crank pulley up to the alternator with the left motor mount in the center.
2nd belt would then appear to run from the A/C compressor to the water pump to the outer crank pulley.
Just a possibility as it states "leave the A/C compressor belt off ... the alternator belt must go on first." Also, has no mention of the water pump when installing "high mount" alternator belt.
Are you aure about that? The first gens had A/C as an option hence the two blank spots above the cubby hole on the bottom of the dash. I also have Honda catalogues for the first gens that list A/C as an option. AC wiring diagrams are also in the manuals.
I suppose they could be added at the dealer but they are a factory Honda part?
Honda's did not come from the factory with A/C until the early '80's. They were installed at the dealership (yes, I worked at one and did them as part of the new car makeready). Most of the early civic 1500's added the A/C compressor above the motor mount with an additional bracket that went around the end of the head and bolted to the motor mount. There were some off brands of A/C systems that individual dealerships used that caused problems due to non-standardization. If the system needs major repair, consider converting to 134A. Don't use the universal systems available at places like Wal-Mart. Check out www.ackits.com or www.aircondition.com and read through their message boards and archives. Lots of good information.
If you have problems with the fuel filters or the carb clogging with debris, consider having the fuel tank professionally cleaned. The passages in the cvcc carb need very clean fuel or they will give problems.
When you are checking the coolant system, don't forget to bleed the air from the system at the bleeder valve by the thermostat. The thermostat does not like to open with hot air, only hot water.
Good luck, you've got the makings of a great project.
Thanks for the explanation on the belt routing Jonathan. That is one of the two ways I was looking at. I will be working on it some this weekend and I will let you know what happens.
The body on the car is straight. Paint is bad and roof has surface rust. No frills car as far as I can tell accept for the A/C. The interior is in need of a good cleaning but looks to be in OK shape.
I am in the Dallas area of Texas and our summer is here so I have to work on the car in the morning or evening. Otherwise I will melt.
One, or both, belts will have to go around the motor mount. I'm going to be doing the same thing as you soon, when I get around to swapping in the A/C into the car. The inner belt goes around the crank, water pump, and alternator. The other belt goes around the crank and A/C compressor, only using the outer pulley grooves. At least that's how I think it goes with Type II A/C. It should say on the bottom of the evaporator section which type you have. I've got a picture of the belt routing if you have Type I (I'll e-mail you that one, it's a little big to post here), and in a few days I should have the Type II parts mocked up on a spare engine, and should be able to take a good picture then.
The value depends on a few factors, but mostly body condition and options. Is there any rust on the body? Do you have any rarer options? What kind of shape is the interior in? The A/C will add some to the value, if it's a 5-speed, that would add more value to it as well.
By the way, What do these cars go for now in fair condition? Just wondering.
I looked at that. It will not work. the alt bracket is in the way. It might also help if I told you this car has A/C. It has two belts and one of them has to go around the Alt bracket. I think I know how it should go on but I am just trying to double check.
oh.....best thing is to get a book......either thru a parts store or they are on ebay alot.
just one belt......around the alt-water pump-crank pulley
Howdy all,
I was just handed, (literally) a 77 3dr cvcc civic. It is not running and needs some work. It has been sitting because they could not get it to run without snapping the alt. belt off. I found the problem with that, but I do not know how the belts are supposed to route. I want to get this car running. Does anyone have belt routing diagrams for this car? and are there any pitfalls I should look out for with this car.
Thanks, Rob