Kyle. I think the tranny in Davids 78 cvcc parts car is the original the GK.All the 76-81 Accords I ve seen had the hydro cluth.

David. Sweet score on the tranny.Good luck with the swap.

By David L. (198.53.172.32) on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 08:24 am:

Thanks all.

H - I went and got the GN trans for $60Cdn with warranty, already removed and tested. Thanks again for your help. Hopefully I'll get it done this weekend as it died on me last night, nothing big - carb probs.

By Kurt (205.250.75.226) on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 11:57 pm:

awesome, thanks Kyle.

I will let you know about the motor. I hope to see the guy Friday. Plus I want to pick up an ignition switch as I have a hunch that may be the electrical problem.

By Kyle Thomson (24.83.12.187) on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 11:52 pm:

The thought crossed my mind =) I really just want a spare to build up an el/ek on the side, plus mock up a header without having down time on the car. Let me know about that motor, I'm very interested!

ps, your cd was sent out yesterday, should be there soon

By Kurt (205.250.75.226) on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 11:42 pm:

I'm using the 82-83 GK tranny on my EL. Here in Canada, I have found all the earlier ones used hydraulic clutches.

Like H mentioned...I used the 81 EL flywheel (my engine is an 81) and ordered the 82-83 clutch.

Kyle, I know of an EL motor and tranny complete for $100. Not sure of the year though. What you planning, custom turbo?

By Kyle Thomson (24.83.12.187) on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 11:18 pm:

H, you think its a 79? any guess as to why the tranny is cable clutch? is justin right about the 76-81 accords(EL) all having hydraulic clutches? all my honda manuals seem to agree, and I looked through about 10 to make sure

By H (24.70.95.205) on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 10:26 pm:

Also the 79-81 EL will bolt to the 82-83 trans but you have to use the 79-81 clutch/flywheel.

By H (24.70.95.205) on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 10:20 pm:

Easy way to spot a 82-83 EL will have a black timming belt cover/case the 79-81 EL are beige.I would say the ID code makes it a 79.That tranny would suck with the 1200 anyway.The GN would be a better choice than the GM aswell.

By glen (203.217.6.220) on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 03:47 am:

I installed a 79 EL into my 77 civic with a 2nd gen accord GL box (cable clutch). I used the 79 clutch and pressure plate and 2nd gen release bearing. Clutch does not slip after 8 months of driving, even when flat shifting. 3k revs at 110klm/h and good for 170klm/h.

By -Andrew Smit- (Cvcc_Wagon) (154.20.103.235) on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 12:24 am:

ok, i have a 82 EL engine/tranny (not for sale, i'm building an EK/EL motor) and it did not have a cable clutch (the manifold has the equal spacing ports on the exhaust, 4 ports) it's a GK transmission.well long story short i had to put the GK trans onto my EM1 till i get the motor finished and i ran into the different mainshaft problem (i didn't know about it before) and since it's just temporary i put the EL clutch and flywheel onto my engine however i had to grind out some of the ribs on the block to make it clear everything and the bolt holes are way too big on the flywheel (i know, i know, it's pretty jurrey rigged but it's just temp) from the reading i have done i think the early EL/EK have smaller bolt holes so you may want to look into getting an early flywheel to use if that will work, otherwise get some spacers to make up for the difference in size, the center of the holes is the same. otherwise everything bolted right up. and it runs fine with the sketchy flywheel setup.

By David L. (198.53.172.32) on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 10:41 pm:

Wow! Lots to think about - thanks lazy. I'll tear the trans out and see what it looks like before I completely decide.

Kyle, while I'm working on the trans I will try and get a few pics so we can see what they did.

By Kyle Thomson (24.83.12.187) on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 09:56 pm:

Any chance you can get a picture of the exhaust manifold or the back of the head?
The reason I ask is I just went over this a few days ago with Justin, and if our info is correct, the only EL to come with a cable clutch is the later 82-83. Therefore if we can determine by the port spacing of your head what year it is, we can tell if someone has used the accord motor/tranny or if they used an original civic tranny and modified the flywheel to fit

By lazy (139.130.237.102) on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 09:16 pm:

I don't know what sort of transmission the GM is, but here in Aus. the GN came bolted to the EN engined 2nd gen civic.

The transmission attached to your EL motor (I'll just call it a GL from herein) has the same mounting arrangement as the GB/GN transmissions, but there is a difference in main shafts. The GL main shaft is 7/8" in diameter and has 21 splines that engange with the clutch disc which is 7-7/8" in diameter. The GB/GN transmissions have a 13/16" diameter main shaft with 19 splines and a 7-1/2" clutch.

If you want to use the GL box on an EB, you may be able to use the EB flywheel & pressure plate, the GL transmission and release bearing, and a 1988 D15 civic clutch (21 splines and 7-1/2" diameter). However, this is all theory and for me there are a few unknowns:

1. Since the GL release bearing is larger than it's GB counterpart it will operate on the release plate prongs further out than the GB bearing would. To me this would logically mean more force would be required to disengage the clutch - how much more force is a major unknown.

2. (1) assumes that the main shaft will fit through centre of the pressure plate (but it's a good bet)

3. Whether or not the D15 cluch disc is thin enough to fit between the flywheel and pressure plate without hitting/rubbing against something it shouldn't. (another good bet it'll be fine)

I'm basing all this on my experiences doing the complete opposite -> trying to fit a GN box to an EL. In my situation it didn't happen because:

1. there wasn't an off-the-shelf clutch with the correct spline/diameter combination (unlike your situation), and

2. the GN release bearing actuated right on the tips of the pressure plate prongs... something I wasn't too keen about.

You could try fitting the transmission without a clutch and testing unknowns 1 and 2. If everything worked satisfactorily you could then get the d15 clutch. The beauty of this swap would be a stronger gearbox which may be easier to find parts for (e.g. synchros). I don't know what the ratios would be like though.. I would guess you'd need a warm EB to drive them.

By David L. (198.53.172.32) on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 06:17 pm:

It has a cable clutch.

By Kyle Thomson (24.83.12.187) on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 05:05 pm:

Is it a cable or hydo clutch? could tell us what year it is, and if it was original with the car or not
As far as the engine goes, I only really need the head/intake/exhaust, but I think shipping would make it more than its worth (I'm in vancouver)

By David L. (198.53.172.32) on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 04:31 pm:

Oh, Kyle, thanks for the info and if you want the engine it'll be cheap. Runs strong but does puff blue smoke once in a while, but a shiny HF-B head.

By David L. (198.53.172.32) on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 04:29 pm:

I'm in Edmonton. So I take it that the 5spd won't bolt onto my 1200 then. What a bummer. Edmonton Pick Your Part wants $80+$10 Core for one, they have a GM and a GN code trans.

By Kyle Thomson (24.83.12.187) on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 09:12 am:

EL is the canadian 1600 non-cvcc motor out of the early accords (76-83) where are you located? I'm looking for a spare EL

By David L. (198.53.172.32) on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 08:51 am:

Well, I'm starting to tear into my 78 CVCC parts car and see what's good. It has a 5spd (sticker is missing so I don't know trans code) which I want to put into my 1200, the engine is an EL-1277084 and has a HF-B head. This engine runs well but I decided to keep my 1200 stock for now and just had the headgasket done. I called Honda and surfed the web but am unable to find the info on the EL motor to see if the trans can bolt to my 1200. Any info would be great.

Thanks
David