That one was done quite awhile ago.. too bad it's a cvcc and not a 1200.. if done properly in a cvcc chassis, you don't have to cut into the firewall like that!

By lilbucu (128.208.35.152) on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 04:14 pm:

hmmm someone else who has done one: http://www.paintbyyates.com/clown/

By Colza (Colza) (219.88.58.153) on Friday, October 01, 2004 - 06:48 pm:

I wanna go to America!!!! Over here to get even minor modifications road legal you have to go through a LVV (low volume vehicle) certification in which your car is throuroughly checked over by an engineer who goes over all of your modifications to make sure everything is safe. It is a very expensive undertaking and everything has to be absolutely perfect or you will not get the cert. Once you have the cert plate you then take it for a warrant and it has to be safe in all the normal places like seatbelts and rust and emissions and stuff.

Sigh...

By 20vmini (20vmini) (24.17.32.228) on Friday, October 01, 2004 - 02:51 pm:

the frame should be fine. what was cut is the sheetmetal there is another innner frame rail that sits inside that. i had the same mod, and ran that car to the ground and the frame held up
and yes very very fast.

By Jonathan (68.193.6.173) on Friday, October 01, 2004 - 10:22 am:

Colza, that's pretty much true, but it may vary slightly from state to state. Most states have a safety/emissions testing program, but they won't fail you for the structural integrity of the car unless it's obviously bad. By that I mean if there's chunks falling off it and the car is bent in half, then you're probably not going to pass.
In my state (New Jersey), if your car is registered as a historic vehicle, there is no state inspection. The car could be very poorly done, rusting to bits, but you can still drive it on the street. I guess if the car is really in that bad of shape, it's not going to make it very far.

By Colza (Colza) (210.54.66.83) on Friday, October 01, 2004 - 04:21 am:

I was talking to a mate of mine today and he was saying how in the states there is no 'certification' required. So you just get to build a car and if it holds together you can drive it on the roads?

By lilbucu (24.16.243.28) on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 09:16 am:

the picture that shows the tranny in the wheel well is misleading, it looks like its sticking in there a lot but it really isn't, i'll get a better picture.

all cutting will be boxed in and reinforced. i'm am not worried at all about possibillity of comprimising structural ridigity. the motor is sitting in the bay all by its self right now, but its not done. 3 more mounts to go and more welding and more reinforcement all around.

this will be a street car. i am laughing as i hear the doubt in your voices.

By felipe casanova (200.74.68.39) on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 08:52 am:

how the hell that thing will move!! the wheels will touch que gearbox!!

By Colza (Colza) (219.88.31.50) on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 06:31 am:

Arent you concerned about the fact that your passenger side chassis rail is somewhat non-existant?! That was the sort of cutting that made me believe that it wouldnt fit. Is this going to be road driven? or it is racing only? But generally, DAMN that thing is going to FLY! Its a B16 isnt it?

By lilbucu (24.16.243.28) on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 08:54 pm:

back to the subject...

peekaboo!!!

http://students.washington.edu/lilbucu/79%20civic%20hatch%201200%20SBC/new/typer.jpg

check out the rest:
http://students.washington.edu/lilbucu/79%20civic%20hatch%201200%20SBC/new/

By Edgar F Sanchinelli (Frito) (63.105.29.199) on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 10:46 am:

Oh I have the bushings, I picked up a daily driver 1991 hatchback. I remember you have the other noltec bushings for that. But I would like to know what else I could do with my suspension setup on the 1200, because I don't feel it is setup well. At least the shock and spring combo.

I'd also like to see the race video.

frito@dsl-only.net

thanks

By Norm (161.184.192.65) on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 05:59 am:

http://www.bacomatic.org/~dw/engfyi.htm

This site lists engine weights from just about anything!

By felipe casanova (200.30.231.250) on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 10:14 pm:

well the eb-3 engine weights 70kilograms, and lilbucu please post pics and write a "step by step" speech, or send the pics to shreck so he can upload them at www.1stgencivic.com

By Don (199.2.139.160) on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 09:16 pm:

Thats fine my last race is this weekend.
I also have some video from inside the car... its kinda cool. I havent got a firm plan for suspension for next year yet thats why I have not got back to you. What happened to the bushings you bought?

By Edgar F Sanchinelli (Frito) (63.105.29.199) on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 08:01 pm:

don, i'd like to come down and talk about some suspension parts and bushings.
.

frito

By Don (199.2.139.223) on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 06:54 pm:

Your source is way wrong. I dont have exact pounds but the eb series is light! I have a few stuft up in my garage attic.... just ask Fritto The B16 is a TANK there is no way I could get one of those suckers above my head.

By Adrian (Evocivic) (203.42.97.141) on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 04:48 pm:

Yes, the EB3 is all aluminium and weighs bugger all (one person can easily lift the engine) and the gearbox also weighs not much. I'd be surprised if a B16 and gearbox weighs only 50kg more than an EB with box.

By lilbucu (24.16.243.28) on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 04:36 pm:

hmmm frito, you are right. for some reason my source says there isn't a big wieght difference between a b16 and the eb3. i'll try to get numbers for you. your right though the eb3 is alum block and head... right?

By Edgar F Sanchinelli (Frito) (63.105.29.199) on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 01:53 pm:

do you have the weights of both motors???

I'd like to see this. Are you talking about CVCC motors when you say it is IRON? I was under the impression the EB serie motors are alum block and head like the b16.

thanks

Frito

By bucu (24.16.243.28) on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 12:16 pm:

that picture was my friends car. this is my car but not my motor, that one is just being used to mock everything up:

http://students.washington.edu/lilbucu/79%20civic%20hatch%201200%20SBC/day%203.jpg

it should be done in less than a weeks time.

it took him i think about 3 months to build his. and now that he has all the measurements down, it should take less than 2 weeks to do my car.

he is doing all of the work, but i can say off the top of my head that you have to notch the us driver side of the engine bay to clear the altantor pully and grind off metal by the wheel well to clear the crank pully, and grind the rear sub frame to clear the tranny diff housing and the us passenger side wheel well for the tranny itself (the tranny sticks into the wheel well a little!!).

you have to drill the spot welds off the battery tray and stock mounts and knock them off. we are using custom mounts of course. i think we are only using 4 mounts (full polyurathane). the rear stock mounth on fire wall doesn't have to be taken off. basicly anything in the engine bay that is not needed was taken out. battery will be put in the rear. car will still have a heater for the winter.

custom axels will be used. we are also doing a brake upgrade. a custom wireing harness will be made to keep fuel injection. we will be using a VW out of take fuel pump. i don't know which model. car will be runnng on OBD 1. a basicly whole new front lower sub frame/crossmember will be fabricated with completly new radius arms will be used.

i don't know why but the whole dash is out right now.

car will sit at stock hight and have stock ground clearence. the b series and stock motor weigh about the same because the stock motor is iron and the b series is aluminum.

you guys may heard of my friend before. the type r 1st gen was crashed a while ago due to the undersized brakes.

and another side note is the k series motor won't really fit the front of the 1st gen civic with out a tube frame. but it does fit nicely in the rear of the car.... rwd rsx powered sb anyone? its been done....

anyways thats all i know right now, i'm taking alot of pictures and notes so don't worry. some time i will try to have a full write up.

By felipe casanova (200.30.231.250) on Monday, September 27, 2004 - 06:50 am:

i mean that is awesome!!! but like colza i have 60 millions and a litlle more questions!!! please be patient an write a post of what did you have todo to mount that thing there, because as far as i know the b16a can`t be fitted to the 70`s civic hatchback OMFG!!!

By Colza (Colza) (219.88.31.29) on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 08:56 pm:

If that is your car then i have about 60 million questions. Do you have more pics? Pics of what had to be changed in the engine bay before the engine went in?

By malcon pierce (Project79) (209.214.45.172) on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 08:08 pm:

awesome, what all did it take? thanks

By lilbucu (24.16.242.48) on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 07:48 pm:

you guys just wait and see...

http://students.washington.edu/lilbucu/79%20civic%20hatch%201200%20SBC/sinhbui.jpg

By Colza (Colza) (219.88.31.192) on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 05:26 am:

Yeah, i would like to have a vehicle where there is actually some of the car left. I am looking 2nd gen instead. Putting FI into old civics is a bit of a bitch aye ;-) man i love wiring...

By Colza (Colza) (219.88.31.192) on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 04:27 am:

Yeah, i would like to have a vehicle where there is actually some of the car left. I am looking 2nd gen instead. Putting FI into old civics is a bit of a bitch aye ;-) man i love wiring...

By turboCVZC (67.181.90.207) on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 03:47 am:

the wagon engine bays are the same as the CVCC. I have 78 wagon with a ZC in it (used to be in my 76 cvcc hatchback...until I made "contact" with a tree =O) It's A LOT OF WORK to swap any Fuel injected engine into a 1G civic!

Justin, I'm glad your putting a B16 in your wagon now cuz I wouldn't want to be a copy-cat *whew* If you read this, could you please e-mail me, I have some questions for ya. Thanks.

And yes, a B-series will fit into a 1G, but you'll have to probably modify the frame rails and the firewall, fabricate a different front crossmember/suspension (strut rods/sway bar) etc, etc... I've seen a 77 hatch with a civic type-R B16 in it. It was pretty "chopped up" in the front end, but the engine fit. It ran low 13's "stock" with slicks and welded struts, but the car started to fall apart after 2 months.

By Colza (Colza) (210.54.103.31) on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 08:12 pm:

Do the wagons have bigger engine bays? And are the B16A3 smaller than the B16A2? If yes to both then im sure it will work out, if not then i cant wait to see the pics =) im sure youll sus it out somehow. Mean while, im off to go stick a B18 in a different car =D

By malcon pierce (Project79) (209.214.44.17) on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 08:07 pm:

haha sure thing. how much do you think it would cost to make the 1200 run mid 14s? possible? i deffinattly want to run a twin carb set up. i could make a manifold if i couldnt find one. but yeah what do you think it would cost me and what all could i do? i have to beat my friends 66 vw with dual carb 1600 thanks bro

By Justin (24.83.36.138) on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 08:01 pm:

Malcon... send me your car and a blank cheque and I'll make it happen
Colza.. when I get around to doing it, I'll take alot of pics.. I should be able to fit it in.. my ZC is basically the same size as the B16.. and that's already in wagon

By Colza (Colza) (210.54.103.31) on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 07:58 pm:

What sort of 'major' mods will those be justin? Do you reckon you could get one in without having to tube the front and pretty much start from scratch? Im sure the B18 i measured wouldnt fit between the wheel arches! And a b16a3 should be the same block size as a b18 arent they?

By malcon pierce (Project79) (209.214.44.17) on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 05:05 pm:

well that sucks.. ok well ill have to find another way to get power. maybe rebuilding my moter.. what can i do to be able to run 14s or so in the quarter?
here is the deal, a friend of mine is rebuilding his duel carb 1600 on his 66 VW and me and him are going to dual it out so see who is faster. ok i have to win!
so please help me build the moter to put to that mark. or at least beet mustang gts thanks

By Justin (199.60.112.10) on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 04:33 pm:

I like to cruise on the highway at illegal speeds plus it's cable Hmm turbo....

By Edgar F Sanchinelli (Frito) (66.154.131.28) on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 03:10 pm:

why LS Justin? that transmission will slow the 1.6...why not R transmission or y21 with an lsd like cusco or quaife?

frito

or you sticking a turbo in there somehow? btw, i've got some questions as far as my 1200 and the motor go...

frito@dsl-only.net

thakns

By Justin (199.60.112.10) on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 11:37 am:

I will be putting a B16a3(dohc vtec from a '00 Civic Si)with a '93 Integra LS tranny into my civic wagon.. it will fit with alot of modifications

By Colza (Colza) (219.88.58.173) on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 11:14 pm:

im not sure about the 1st gen b16's it was a B18c typeR that i measured, cos i was planning on going for a gen 2 b16 or a b18. All i know is that the chassis rails in my civic are 800mm apart and the engine is just over 920!

By felipe casanova (200.74.70.114) on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 10:47 pm:

belive me, long time ago i saw a pic of a 1st gen civic with a b16a carburated how do they manage to get that thing in only god knows...

By Colza (Colza) (210.54.103.53) on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 10:27 pm:

I just measured up my EB3 for a B16/18 today. It DOES NOT FIT. No way in hell. Your looking at a full tube front end cos it doesnt fit between the wheels! BY no means an easy project. I think that would be the reason that it hasnt been done before (or has it?). CVCC's have bigger engine bays yes? It MIGHT be poosible into one of them, but its still not going to be easy, not easy at all.

By Jonathan (68.193.6.173) on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 03:50 pm:

Not without fabrication of mounts, fabrication of wiring harnesses, fabrication of intake air plenum, fabrication of everything else that makes it not a bolt-in. So it'll physically fit, but it is a rather involved process.

By malcon pierce (Project79) (209.214.44.103) on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 03:30 pm:

so what does that mean? thats pretty broad

By Colza (Colza) (210.54.193.143) on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:30 am:

Not without MUCH assistance...

By malcon pierce (Project79) (209.214.44.216) on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 10:36 pm:

will a b16 fit into a 79 civic 1200?