http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=esearch.asp&N=110&Ntk=KeywordSearch&Ntt=boost+regulator
Summit's got it listed for $58, and the details list says it's a 1:1 boost/vacuum reference. Sounds like it'll work afterall. 12 psi is the max though, so 9psi of boost will be all I can make.

By Jarcaf (Jarcaf) (207.55.238.216) on Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 05:49 pm:

http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/NOS/NOSCA/FPregltr.html
Hey Shnitzel, you think this could work for a reg? It says there's a port for vacuum/boost reference, but I emailed holley to see if there were more details.

By Jarcaf (Jarcaf) (207.55.238.216) on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 09:42 am:

lol, I hate seeing the EK designation in performance parts catalogs, it gives me false hopes all too often. Both are nice engines though

By chris ingham (Cingham) (69.68.96.194) on Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 01:11 am:

HA i'm to jdm ...ek to me means d16

By shnitzel (24.66.80.104) on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 11:34 am:

boost control, right now i have the wastegate rod threaded like you say. next will be a solenoid operated bleed system... where i push a button on my shifter to increase boost.

you dont need one to start, but i assure you, you will want a BOV... cost me $80 at a saab dealer in calgary i think.

there's looooots of info at these links... check em out!

http://www.thedodgegarage.com
http://www.xmission.com/~dempsey/perform/

wanna see a fast car??? check out the flix of the k-car... 10.6 second 1/4 mile, and it looks pretty stock!!!! nice sleeper.....

By Colza (Colza) (219.88.29.206) on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 02:34 am:

Yeah, equators are a bitch like that =P

Yes, that is pretty much what i am looking at. Either EK or EL block with the EL head and a city turbo intake mani modded heavilly for bigger injectors and throttle plate. Exhast mani will be custom to fit which ever turbo i choose to suit. For management i am looking at running a Link computer, they are very capable and quite cheap. The Megasquirt is another option but i think i will go for the tried and tested Link, adding another possible complication seems a little silly until i have it all up and running.

PS.
Its good to hear that some of you civic1200 guys are checking out the city forum =) good on ya!

By Jarcaf (Jarcaf) (207.55.238.216) on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 12:44 am:

pics sound like a great idea, and maybe some dimensions/weight to figure out what shipping will be. Major thanks for being honest.

Colza, i was checking out the city turbo forum a few days ago and saw the post on EK/EL + City turbo hybrids, is that what you're thinking? Or turbo and something like a mega-squirt setup? The city hybrid sounds intriguing, but out of my realm of capability, especially considering the equator that seperates me from the half of the world that contains those necessary parts

By Kyle Thomson (24.83.12.187) on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 11:22 pm:

Well it only cost me 20 bucks, its the shipping thats gonna cost a fortune. Maybe I should send you some pics before you get to excitied about it, I don't want to mislead you into thinking its better than it is

By Colza (Colza) (210.54.103.32) on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 07:53 pm:

Yes i will be planning to build an EK/EL. But not into my EN1 anymore. The EN1 is inheriting a city turbo motor sometime shortly, and i will start building a combination EL/EK (using the non-cvcc head) for my '79. I will be running fuel inj. turbo.

By Jarcaf (Jarcaf) (207.55.238.216) on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 05:25 pm:

http://community-2.webtv.net/PAGEBUILDERPIC2/WASTEGATECANMOD/
This isn't the one I found at first, but this is what popped up when I tried to google it. The diagram I saw gave instructions and was more specific. I'm now thinking it might have been a link from the www.turbominivan.com site, but probably not. Their links section has some good stuff though.

By Jarcaf (Jarcaf) (207.55.238.216) on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 05:01 pm:

Kyle, how much would you want for it? I want to get a header, since i've got the carb, but now i'm thinking about turbo as well. I think I want it anyways, since I've got a friend nearby that wants one as well even if I went to turbo.

Shnitzel, I had read somewhere that a BOV isn't entirely necessary unless you have a intercooler, but I don't really think that's true. There's less space for the air to compress inside the system w/out the IC, but pressure is pressure and it would still stall out the compressor to some extent. I think I'll hold off on the BOV as well at least at first. One of the appeals to the turbo is that beautiful swoosh, but money is still my limiting factor.
What are you using to adjust your boost? Actual boost controller? different WG Springs? Bending gate rod? I found a cool mod to cut the wastegate rod and die each side then put a threaded collar between the two w/ jam nuts on either side. Pretty decent looking, and easily adjustable. I'll see if i can find the link.

By shnitzel (24.66.80.104) on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 03:49 pm:

yes, carb is tough to bolt down.... hindsight, i would have designed the box a bit different.. i have a bunch of wrenches cut down to bolt the carb in that box.

fuel line, just welded a little tube inside and out of the box, then piped the fuel through it and then to the carb.

fuel pressure, yup, need a boost dependent fuel pressure regulator.. lots available, i used an aeromotive version. it increases the fuel pressure 1psi per 1psi of boost. very important piece.

pump is of a throttle body fuel injected ford v-8 truck. it puts out 15psi.. which means my system could run a max of 12psi boost. no where near that yet though. but when i do get up to 12psi!!!! vrooooooooooooom! not that it isnt fun and fast already......

last piece you'll need is a BOV, i bought a bosch version that was designed for a porche. without it your boost will realy surge between shifts... bad for the turbo, bad for clutches..... but i've run mine at 4psi boost for a few months without a BOV... but i will be installing it soon. should make for nicer shifts and less wear on the clutch.

By Kyle Thomson (24.83.12.187) on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 03:41 pm:

Hey Jarcaf, I have the second header that Andrew found at the wrecker, it was pretty cheap to buy so we picked up both of them. I'm not sure if your going to want it or not, it would need a bunch of work to make it fit properly. The flange to the head doesn't line up with the stud very well at all, it would have to be bent/stretched to make it on, and 2 of the downtubes would need welding.
But its your for the taking if you wanna buy it, you did respond first

By Jarcaf (Jarcaf) (207.55.238.216) on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 02:48 pm:

Hey Colza, are you gonna try for another EK? I really like mine, but I'd suggest using the 82-83 accord tranny with it(cable operated). The 82-83 engines had a better compression ratio and it's a little easier to get a header for it than mine is. It's torquey as hell and has a sadist attitude when it comes to my tires;) The tranny allows me to stay around 2500 at 65mph and between 3000 and 3200 at 70-75mph speeds, which is perfect. The engine hits a kind of imbalance noisiness around 3500, which is where my old EM stayed at @70mph. The noise isn't bad, just louder than the rest of the rpms. I now have no trouble bouncing my speedo off the 85mph max at only 3900 What a difference!

By Jarcaf (Jarcaf) (207.55.238.216) on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 02:28 pm:

Sounds great. I was just thinking, but wasn't it a pain in the ass to get your carb bolted to the manifold once it was in the box? I have a hard time bolting it down as it is. If that's the case, maybe I'll make it a 3 piece box, where the bottom plate goes down 1st, then bolt down the box sides(welded as 1 piece) to the plate from the inside, then have a top plate like yours. Where did you pipe in the fuel line to the box?
Also, what did you end up having to do w/ your fuel pump/regulator? Seems like you'd need something more powerful than the stock 3-4 psi just to overcome the pressure inside the box that pushes the other way. You used an aftermarket or scrapped higher pressure pump w/ a boost dependent reg? I'd like to know what you did even if it may be the cause of your current cut-out probs.

By Chaffneue (Chaffneue) (142.104.250.115) on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 01:04 pm:

yes pictures would be good..

-Richard

By shnitzel (142.32.208.231) on Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 12:49 pm:

i dont think my intercooler is neccesary, especially at 4psi boost... plus its small, probably get more power if i took it out! ha ha ha ha ha

start without the intercooler, keep your boost low in the beginning... then upgrade it later if neccesary.

the civic piping is much tidyer than the accord... see, i thought it was going to blow up, so i just whipped it all together... but when it didnt, and i put it in my 83 civic i spent more time on tidyness. i'll take pics as soon as the paint job is done.

By Jarcaf (Jarcaf) (207.55.238.216) on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 09:39 pm:

If I don't run w/ an intercooler, It seems like it'd be easy to rig up the piping: Just an intake pipe w/ a cone filter, and a 90 degree pipe up into the air box. How much more painful so you suppose it was to rig up the I/C? I suppose, however, if I run low boost I'll want the coolest air I can get.

By shnitzel (24.66.80.104) on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 09:24 pm:

ah, i used old turbo hoses from the wreckers to join my pipes and do the odd curve... pulled mine of a turbo fuego.

radiator hoses can handle 15psi minimum... in short sections i doubt they'd collapse when under vaccuum.

By Jarcaf (Jarcaf) (207.55.238.216) on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 08:28 pm:

The couplers I'm thinking of are those silicon pieces of tube that connect the turbo/intercooler pipe sections together or whatever. You see 'em in the turbo kits and they're usually red or blue. What did you use if not something like that?
This is kind of what I'm picturing in my head:
http://www.cpostores.com/extreme/browse.cfm/2,73.html

By shnitzel (24.66.80.104) on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 09:51 am:

sounds like your on your way!

dont know why i did my intake like i did... do whatever fits...

couplers??? huh?

By Jarcaf (Jarcaf) (207.55.238.216) on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 05:42 pm:

Where'd you pick up the couplers for the piping? Why didn't you just use the stock intake manifold? Clearance issues w/ the turbo underneath it? When I do the exhaust manifold, I think i'll start from scratch steel w/ a computerized plasma cutter and some tubing. Seems to me like it'd be less prone to cracking w/out welding the two materials. You think it'll work?

By shnitzel (24.66.80.104) on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 03:24 pm:

i am very happy with my turbo system... just build it all, piping is easy, i used 2" mandrel bends for the piping. easy fabrication.

By Jarcaf (Jarcaf) (207.55.238.216) on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 02:41 pm:

The EK came in various forms between 1979 and 1983 in the Honda Accord and Prelude. The prelude lost the EK in 1983. There are two head-bolt patterns:79-81, and 82-83. Also, there's a variation in Exhaust ports: , 79=2 ports, 80&81=4 ports(two siamesed pairs), 82&83=4 ports(evenly spaced)
The Canadian variation of the EK is the EL, a 1600cc non-cvcc that is nearly identical and interchangable w/ the EK.
(Anyone correct me if I'm wrong)

By juan salguero (69.224.165.236) on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 12:12 pm:

which one is the ek swap off of what car does that engine come of will it bolt on to a 78 cvcc

By Jarcaf (Jarcaf) (207.55.238.216) on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 08:15 am:

That's too bad, mine's fun

By Colza (Colza) (219.88.32.119) on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 11:49 pm:

ANYWAY...

Didnt manage to get the engine i was after. So no engine swap as yet.

By Jarcaf (Jarcaf) (207.55.238.216) on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 11:03 pm:

I'm getting heavily interested in doing a turbo as well, shnitzel. I like your box idea, and I might get a cheap turbo from a friend who's swapping out his stock Eclipse for a larger one. My biggest concern is paying for and rigging up the piping. Any suggestions?

By shnitzel (24.66.80.104) on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 08:28 pm:

i recently finished my swap as well. only mod i had to do was the shifter linkage. the rest was bolt in.

turbo spooles up nicely! still some body work to do. flat black of course! i'll post pics when its all done.

By Jarcaf (Jarcaf) (207.55.238.216) on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 11:30 am:

Do you have to weld anything? I never touched a welder w/ my EK swap. My suggestion would be to grab a shift lever linkage assembly of the right length from an earlier accord with the chrome shift lever. I think I pulled mine from a 79 but i don't remember. The civic's shifter is too short so it has to be lengthened if you use it. With the accord shifter, it didn't fit around the gear shift arm on the tranny side, so I ground it down to fit. This was with a 82-83 accord tranny(which is great for freeway driving, but still maintains short intervals), but it is probably different with the civic tranny now that i think of it.

By chris ingham (Cingham) (69.68.96.194) on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 11:05 am:

have fun with it and remember to grind down the paint u can't weld over a painted service.

By Colza (Colza) (219.88.31.189) on Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 12:48 am:

Will be buying an engine tomorrow and swapping it into my 81 Civic. I need to be able to use my civic transmission but can get diff flywheel and clutch if i need to. Will an EK work? What problems might i run into? Any last minute tips would be great