Hey guys... any pics of that red one from the back to take a look at that wing?

By John Le (Lilbucu) (24.19.198.100) on Monday, January 17, 2005 - 06:35 pm:

wow, that looks nice...

By Kurt (205.250.75.226) on Monday, January 17, 2005 - 12:47 am:

Here are the pics Dana sent me regarding his air dam:

By Dave (216.209.113.83) on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 05:13 am:

Quite frankly the only thing that im not getting is "what I'm not getting". I already knew everything that you have explained so I think we are on the same page.

By John S. (66.143.47.109) on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 02:34 am:

You are right about that Don,(I know I don't have to tell you that).
But I will add one thing, Kamei must have done their home work, because I know for a fact, having run 1200's for 20 yrs, front spoiler on and off, that the 1200 Kamei front spoiler made a noticeable effect at highway speeds, especially in side wind shear buffeting situations such as overtaking an large Semi, or even more noticeable, passing an oncoming Semi on a two lane highway. I wouldn't guess the fuel savings could be measured in terms of reduced drag, but the seat of the pants feel under those extreme situations sure as hell could.

By Edgar F Sanchinelli (Frito) (66.154.131.28) on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 03:06 pm:

Dana and kyran, I would like one once I get another 1200 in the future.

Frito

By Kurt (205.250.75.226) on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 01:06 am:

Kyran,

email me the photos and I can post them for you, they may be too big for the size limit on the board.

- Kurt

redr2@telus.net

By Dana and Kyran (207.81.26.8) on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 08:29 pm:

2nd Attempt

By Dana and Kyran (207.81.26.8) on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 07:48 pm:

Hello if anyone is interested in buying a front air dam for a 1200 civic we are selling 2 newilly made ones (fiberglass) for $100 U.S.

Here are some pics of my project car and my dads old civc.





E-mail Kyran at edstrom2@telus.net

By Don (63.135.203.156) on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 07:32 pm:

No that's not it
There are two major players in Aerodynamics... drag and down force. In production car designs one usually comes at the expense of the other. Different cars, different suspension geometry, different horsepower's, different drivers, different pavement. So in a race car faster times could be the result of increased down force at the expense of drag or just the opposite. But its not "aerofx"... you just changed everything except that part, so you could stick a sticky popsicle stick under your wiper arm and have the same chance for improvement. You bolt something that works on a race car on to a street car and you just changed everything. The people who are the fastest on the track are there all the time, testing, testing and testing some more, its not monkey see monkey do ...well sometimes it is Gains are sometime measured in 1/100th's of a second or less ...somthing a street car will never see or be able to feel unless is in a timed autocross and thats a whole other discussion. If you realy want to gain an minor understanding about this area read Race Car Aerodynamics by Katz. A major understanding will require a few million dollar wind tunnel and if you have one of those I'm comming over ASAP

By Dave (216.209.113.2) on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 06:56 pm:

Yes but not aero FX. Unless there are ground clearance probs. I know things like road use wheels verses race wheels for instance. Some race applications could never handle the pot holes. The point has not been missed.

By Yellowcivic (67.51.80.220) on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 03:56 pm:

This one looked good: but being molded in it cracked and Dad kept hitting things with it.

By Yellowcivic (67.51.80.220) on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 03:43 pm:

I bought a differn't design in the 80s and made a mold. I put one on My dad's car and he hit it and broke it a couple times. Even the last time I made it 1" shorter but it still got broken: Mostly he couldn't remeber it was there! Who else is in the Mid-West and where? I'm in central West Illinois. That's where my wifes from. David

By Don (199.2.139.187) on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 03:32 pm:

Dave you have still missed the point. What is optimum for someones race car might be totaly wrong for your street car.

By Dave (209.226.249.181) on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 02:02 pm:

Ya now that is what I'm talking about, good little tidbits of info like that. I wonder what he found as optimum?
I know what you mean Don but so many of us, me included, like to modify our street cars beyound what you would ever realy need on the street. Lets face it most of us on this site have cars that were great cars "out of the box" but could we just leave them be? Noooo! We have to mod em from top to bottom. Why? Because its fun!

By Don (63.135.203.36) on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 12:27 pm:

Dave for race cars there are times when brake ducts are needed. Thats at a level where you are probably making your own air dams anyway. John mentioned that Mr Malley gained time in his H Production car by experimenting with air dam depths.

By Dave (216.209.113.163) on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 11:22 am:

I was not sure on the make of the spare spoiler that I have. I was relying on my memory from 20 years ago and I thought I was told A&T. I could be wrong as it has happend before. The one that I have bolts to the bumper and is realy quite low and of course has the ducts on each side.
I was refering to race cars and I'm not haveing probs with my brakes. I was just discusing the point seeing that this is a forum.

By Don (63.135.203.36) on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 09:14 am:

Thats the old King spoiler they are filled up on most civics now

By Don (63.135.203.36) on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 09:13 am:

The A/T air dam never had ducts... where are you geting your info? As for the Shelby line of thought we arent running 500 hp and 2800 lbs also friction materal has improved just like everything else since the 60's. If you find your self over heating you brakes 1st get better brakes 2nd get better tires 3rd...learn how to drive 4th..... brake ducts are a looooog way down the list and wont be of use for a street car.

By Dave (206.172.136.97) on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 09:00 am:

Take a look at this spoiler. Who makes it? By the way this is one of my fav pics.

By Dave (206.172.136.97) on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 08:52 am:

I hear what you are saying about the Kamei one Don but wouldnt the air ducts on lets say an A&T Engineering one be something benificial? If you look at Cars like the Shelbys the side scoups were said to have made a huge dif for the brakes or have we just produced braking material that is just far superior that we dont need that kind of cooling now?

By Don (63.135.203.36) on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 07:18 am:

Take a look at Johns GT5 or Adams Civic sometime... No brake ducts and if you did need them, the holes in the kamei's air dam wont cut the mustard. As metioned before Kamie's complete airdam design pretty much is for looks and did about nothing 20 years ago and if left untouched will do pretty much nothing now.

By Dave (206.172.136.82) on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 06:12 am:

Hey John if you do the driving light thing you should try to incorperate lights from a car not after market. I know it would cost more but you can be asured that you would be able to order the parts for a long time and if you sold the spoiler that the parts would be available all over. Just a thought.
I have in my parts collection one of the spoilers that mount to the bumper with the round brake ducts on each side. Back when these cars were new that was supposed to be the most effective design.
Im supprised that you guys dont think you need air ducts for the brakes. Just think of how much air comes out of a hair dryer or a cheap leaf blower. When you are hitting 100 mph and racing I would think that those ducts would be vital for cooling. What do you guys think?

By John S. (66.143.53.178) on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 03:41 am:

Kansas City.

By John (67.180.167.118) on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 11:19 pm:

Ah, but you are forgetting the cool factor...

John S., where are you located?

By John S. (66.143.53.178) on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 10:54 pm:

On my mold, I also filled the "brake" ducts with designers clay first then pulled the mold from it.I didn't see any point to them either, all they add is extra turbulence...exactly what we are trying to eliminate. I had also thought of perhaps moulding openings sized for a particular aftermarket driving lamp on one of my "pulls" and then making a mold from it, but that is later down the road.

By Don (63.135.203.184) on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 02:21 pm:

Most of the time molds are for personal use not commercal, because if someone likes a design and buys just one they can make a mold and turn out coppies like mad too or improve the design and sell those. On something like an air dam a mold is almost a must because its allways getting smacked and the lower it is the more its going to get crunched. I have a five thousand dollar sportsracer body in my garage right now and before it ever rolls onto the track molds will be pulled because I'm not paying that price plus truck freight from Ohio when it gets crunched

Get a few fiberglass books and you will be suprised at how easy it is as long as mold release is used

By Canada76civic (Canada76civic) (68.146.192.75) on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 01:13 pm:

Yellowcivic, when spring comes and if you ever do more air dams for the 1200 model - put me on list for one order. I'd like to get one for my car. Thanks!

By Yellowcivic (67.51.80.220) on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 01:03 pm:

With a spoiler like this you can't forget and drive up and touch your wheels to the curb. My other civic with the Lamb design front is the same way so I always remember not to pull all the way forward in a parking space. I would't drive mine in snow because it wouldn't last a season. My car isn't that low though. I will take pictures with it on the car after I take the mold and make one for servic. This one is a little thicker -heavyer than I would normally run. With a mold though if it gets broken - no problem. For all around looks and use 1" might look better. I was just wanting it to be more effective with undercar turbulance. Unlees I make brake ducts for the vents It would be better to close them up don't you think?
David

By John S. (65.69.66.246) on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 10:40 am:

Only problem is you'll need to be extra careful driving around with it installed. If you are lucky(unlucky)? enough to live in California you probably won't have a problem. If you lived in Missouri where I reside it probably wouldn't survive a season. That is why I indented the added lip I cast into the bottom of my mould. It gives you a place to mount a flexible skirt, which hopefully will have a better chance of surviving the local streets. I do think that your design will look slicker painted up on the car, mine was just a concession to my area.
One other thing...I would suggest adding a Kevelar belt around the bottom and behind all points of mounting. It won't cost too much for that added material as the pieces needed are small and can probably be sourced as scrap.

By lazy (165.228.57.19) on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 07:03 am:

I sometimes get the same thing if I'm not using ie.

By yellowcivic (67.51.80.220) on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 06:44 am:

The reason I made mine longer is the original Kamei spoiler doesn't go down below the bottom of the car. Infact it only goes a little below the original lip. It really is for looks. Mine will atleast function more as an air dam. The bottom of the car is about 2" below the Kamei spoiler at the lowest point. When I mold them I can make them any thikness I like. The first one was three layers of choped strands glass before the cutting and splicing. The design is pretty ridgid.
This site isn't working right. It won't let me have the page to load the picture. What's the problem?

By David (67.51.80.220) on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 06:31 am:

My mold came out pertect. When I extended the first spoiler I had to cut it in three places to extend it and get the ends to match. The last piece was a pain to get right but it is perfect. Lots of clamps The spoiler in the picture below is the cut one. It fits just as well as the Kamei does. I think my car valence is pushed back on the drivers side because both spoilers don't fit as good on that side.

By John Le (Lilbucu) (24.19.196.31) on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 02:49 am:

By John S. (66.142.42.206) on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 01:22 am:

A 1200 spoiler will not fit the CVCC, and I hope you made your mold with the spoiler on the car, or you may need to do some further modifications from each "pull" to get them to fit. Pulling a mold from an installed spoiler is the only way to be sure they will fit..but then even still there is the problem of the difference in thickness of the origional Kamel ABS which is only maybe 4mm thick, compared to however thick you layup the fiberglas. Other than that it looks good, and I like the added height(depth) of the spoiler. Like to see one mounted and painted...should look great.

By sdcvcc (68.101.197.93) on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 10:04 pm:

If you send me a copy I will make it fit my 75. Then a mold can be made for CVCC and 1200.
Good job.

By sdcvcc (68.101.197.93) on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 09:48 pm:

If you send me a copy I will make it fit my 75. Then a mold can be made for CVCC and 1200.
Good job.

By yellowcivic (67.51.80.220) on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 03:18 pm:

It is for the 1200 model. I think it would fit all 1200 but haven't tried it on a pre 78 model. I beleive there are some differeneces between the two. It would be short toward the wheel opening for the CVCC. I'd have to have a CVCC around to modify it to fit. I have a CVCC but its 2000 miles away.
David

By Lay Vorasane (Turbocvzc) (67.181.90.207) on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 01:20 pm:

Wow! You made that?! Great job...when it gets warmer and you make a mold of that, PLEASE let everyone know, I'd love to buy one or two =) Thanks for sharing. BTW Is that for a CVCC or 1200? Or does it even matter?

By malcon pierce (Project79) (68.63.17.76) on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 10:13 am:

put me down for three of them haha. looks real good.

By Dave (206.172.136.13) on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 07:47 am:

Looks good

By Dave (206.172.136.13) on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 07:45 am:

Looks good

By DavidP (67.51.80.220) on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 06:51 am:

Last try: David:

By David (67.51.80.220) on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 06:24 am:

My picture: :

By David (67.51.80.220) on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 06:09 am:

Here is the picture: what do you think?

By Kyle Thomson (24.83.12.187) on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 06:31 pm:

I think there may be something wrong with the webpage, It was doing the same thing to me yesterday

By John Le (Lilbucu) (128.208.36.70) on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 02:07 pm:

email me the pics, i can put them up for you.

lilbucu@gmail.com

By yellowcivic (67.51.80.220) on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 10:45 am:

something is wrong. It wont give me the page to upload the picture. :
David

By yellowcivic (67.51.80.220) on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 10:42 am:

This is the picture: Sorry!

By yellowcivic (67.51.80.220) on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 10:39 am:

This is the picture:
Sorry!

By yellowcivic (67.51.80.220) on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 10:37 am:

I just made a new knockoff Kamei style front air damm. It's 2" taller than the original. What do you think? I will make a mold of the taller one when it gets warmer. I have some mods I've been thinking of. Like ribs that go up from the bottom lip and closing up the vents. Any ideas?:
David