http://www.webercarburetors.com/ppw/html/aplication_guide/honda.htm or http://www.carburetion.com/weber/Dataresults.asp at least give you an idea kris

By kris (Kris) (207.216.228.77) on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 06:37 pm:

ok, well Ill keep my eyes out in the junkyard for one then.

Thanks for all your help.

kris

By Shreck (24.112.121.191) on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 09:25 pm:

I got lucky last spring and wont be looking back as I got the 32/36 dgv complete 1200 weber kit and everything needed to install (new) off killer ebay for a mere 150 smacks.
I can't complain as it never ran better as the old carb. was getting a bit jittery. However I do have a racing cam and that little bit opened up the box that much more. Can't wait until all the snow is melted and salt washed away to get out to have new exhaust and RS header put on.

As Kris saysZoom Zoom! Yo won't be sorry

By Frankaj (Frankaj) (4.242.150.48) on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 08:23 pm:

Hi Kris,

I just completing a Weber 32/36 DGV swap on my bone stock 82 Accord CVCC hatchback. I was looking for a little more punch and in addition a carburetor a lot simpler to work on. I picked up a used one off of E-bay and purchased the adapter else ware. All my linkage mods were home brew. I kept my fingers crossed and sure enough the Weber had very little use. It was jetted for a different application though and that had to be corrected. I got lucky and all the jets were undersize for my application so I could re-size them. All of the above can be acquired new in kit form.

To respond to your question about was it worth it. It sure was for me. After re-jetting, for my application, the car performs better than I expected. It really comes alive when you put your foot in it.

Keep in mind I can only compare the performance difference as to how MY car performed prior to the swap. One other thing. I haven’t had time to check my mileage yet but I have no elution’s about maintaining my previous 37 MPG before the swap. Zoom Zoom !

Take care.

By kris (Kris) (24.86.178.143) on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 09:33 pm:

ok, thanks alot bruce and andrew. I was wondering if you guys think that the 32/36 webber conversion is worth it if I am not swapping out cams or putting headers on? much of a performance boost/response/acceleration?


thanks


kris

By -Andrew Smit- (Cvcc_Wagon) (154.20.120.147) on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 08:52 pm:

this was for my EL/EK motor. the 1.5l, 1.6l, and 1.8l did not have the water inlet there

By jim_mac (211.31.2.207) on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 07:53 pm:

The manifold is great. But how do you get a water supply to the head?

Jim

By -Andrew Smit- (Cvcc_Wagon) (24.207.8.249) on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 05:35 pm:

just make a manifold

http://www.redpepperracing.com/gallery/weber_manifold/aam

By bruce (68.156.75.47) on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 05:06 am:

kris, the stock pump works fine for the weber 32/36. If you order the weber kit, it comes with the adapter plate for the stock intake manifold, you just have to remove the studs, scew on the plate, yank all the vacumn lines out, (that black box on the firewall disappears, vapor canister vanishes, all those wires for the carb sensors, you can just disconnect those and tape them up) the weber swap is an easy one...finding the setup for the side drafts is tough, they are our there but few and far between, carbs can be got, but with all I have read the intake manifold is what is hard to find.

By kris (Kris) (207.216.228.77) on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 10:49 pm:

I did some more searching and no one says if you need a different fuel pump, Im thinking you dont.

Also I found on here that the 32/36 webber came off some jeeps and bmw's


kris

By kris (Kris) (207.216.228.77) on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 08:59 pm:

hi, Im still trying to understand the basics of the different webbers and certain manifolds you need. I was wondering with the Weber 32/36, do you need to change the fuel pump?

I noticed you guys talking about the DCOE40 then different fuel pumps but I was not sure if those same fuel pumps applied or what.

also my mechanics teacher was saying that the Weber 32/36 were a more common carb, would anybody be interested in starting a list of what they came on?

Thanks

kris

By go4mo (213.89.251.33) on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 01:29 am:

ted ..
drop me an email ...

director@stockholmcitychorus.se ...

thanks ..
mo

By Don (63.135.203.174) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 06:38 pm:

Only 35 / 36's will fit, but If mo's not interested I am ...yes I be a greedy sucker when It comes to Honda parts

By Ted (63.224.195.169) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 02:49 pm:

go4mo, I have a unused manifold for you. It's the one the group ordered a bunch of. I'm not sure if the Dell 40's will fit, but other Mikuni and Dellorto carbs do. Here is a pic of what the intake manifold looks like. This one is on Glenn's car:

By Kurt (205.250.75.226) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 09:14 am:

Contact Gabriele at:

italian.carburetors@tiscali.it

I bought my Dellortos from him in Italy and he jetted them based on the specs I sent him including elevation, ect. They came back dead on. He seems to be a Dellorto expert and is extremely friendly when it comes to answering questions.

- Kurt

By go4mo (213.89.251.33) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 07:31 am:

ok ..
update ..

i just picked up a set of dellorto 40s -- really cheap .. (about $85 for the pair !) -- they came off of an old alfa 2 litre ..


new question -- i've tried scouring the search -- what experience with jetting do folks have with these ..? --

(and, i'm STILL looking for an intake manifold ! .. i've emailed JP in australia -- but he doesn't answer .. (JP, YOU OUT THERE?) -- i've also contact mathew in the UK, but am hoping to find something that is NOT £145 !! --
(that's near $300 for the intake alone ! - )

cheers

By Glenn Biscan (211.30.144.154) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 02:16 am:

sisters bf has 45mm webber

EB3 motor
stage 2 cam (camtech in sydney)
4-1 extractors and 1.75" exhaust

he has 36mm chokes in his car and it is totally awesome

revs right out to 8000rpm but i think it needs better valve springs because it valve bounces @ 8000rpm ( mayb its the limit of the motor ? )

but it has plenty of grunt up top as well as more than enough down low

By go4mo (213.89.251.33) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 01:38 am:

lemke ..

what about using the 45 dcoe with 32mm chokes? ..
how would that effect performance?

By Andrew Fatseas (203.63.44.193) on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 04:12 pm:

Ok, I managed to get my Weber DCOE onto the car (and sort of running - jetting isn't quite right at the moment) before a motorkhana on Sunday. Here are a few pics, including a pretty clear photo of the throttle linkage for Don's benefit. I simply attached the old throttle cable to the manifold and carb, which works reasonably well, although the cable is a fraction too long.

I also threw in a pic of my car as it stands at the moment, with an added bonus, IT: the World's Ugliest Motorkhana Car

By go4mo (213.89.251.33) on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 04:52 am:

post 'em kirk, post those picures you lil' fartsmacker !

By go4mo (213.89.251.33) on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 04:50 am:

that's what i did with my rs setup in (the still in canada) lil'red -- set to about 2lbs ..

By Don (63.135.203.26) on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 07:37 pm:

I use the Holley 1-4lb regulator set at about 2 lbs
6psi of a Holley red is WAY too much for a weber.

By Chaffneue (Chaffneue) (66.183.190.188) on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 06:00 pm:

Hey ted.. where did you get that intake manifold? is it still a current item or is it hen's teeth?

-Richard

By Dana and Kyran (207.81.26.8) on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 05:30 pm:

Ted, I was wonderin why you are running a regluator on it. It says it dosent need one? I was also wondering how you check the bowl on it? But I am going to be running the same carb so I shouldent have a problem but I still would like to know.

By -Andrew Smit- (Cvcc_Wagon) (24.86.60.4) on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 12:01 pm:

ted, i have a regulator pretty well the same as that one and according to my pressure gague it's pretty accurate

By Kyle Thomson (24.83.29.123) on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 09:45 am:

Hey Mo I got the pictures to prove it haha, should I post em?

By Ted (63.224.195.169) on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 09:11 am:

go4mo, I'm using a cheapo regulator that I'm sure is not calibrated to the numbers set on the dial.

It's a trial and error thing for me. I set the dial for 3 psi and then ran the engine on the freeway at top speed for a while to see if the carb bowl emptied. It didn't so I know I'm not running too low a pressure. I know Weber carbs dont like being force-fed. Keep things below 3.5psi. The Holley Red is calibrated to pump 7psi, here are the stats on it:


New tumble polished billet look.
Improved design for street/strip applications.
Distinctive "RED" logo.
Flows 97 GPH (free flow).
Flows 71 GPH at 4 PSI.
Maximum pressure is 7 PSI.
Regulator is not required.
Motor draws only 2 Amps current.
7-1/2 Amp fuse recommended.
Provides constant fuel flow with no pulsation.
Has externally accessible pressure relief valve (max. 7 PSI).
Rotor/Vane pump design is more tolerant of contaminated fuels.
New lower housing casting for enhanced fuel flow and quieter operation.
Weighs only 2.88 lbs.
Includes mounting bracket.
Repair kits are readily available.
Can be serviced from either pump end or brush cap end.
NOT compatible with alcohol or methanol fuels.
Use of safety shut-off switch, P/N 12-810, strongly recommended.
Not designed or recommended for use with fuel injection systems.

By go4mo (213.89.251.33) on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 01:13 am:

ted - are you using the holley 1-4 fuel regulator? -- how many PSI do you find works best your carb set-up?

justin has a nice little story about mounting a fuel pump near the gas tank -- i can supplement with a tale of the nice state trooper who tried to pick up my girlfriend while said pump was being tweeked ..

By Jarcaf (Jarcaf) (207.55.238.216) on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 10:24 pm:

No in-tanks in the 1st gens?! Oh...I don't think the 2nd gens have 'em either....lol...brain fart
Anyways, by "higher pressure" I meant the Holley Red, since it's a 7psi pump.

*please disregard my ignorance*

By Don (63.135.201.183) on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 07:13 pm:

No in-tank pump or hi-pressure pump in a gen1

By Jarcaf (Jarcaf) (207.55.238.216) on Sunday, March 06, 2005 - 09:22 pm:

Have you guys had any problems losing the in-tank pump, or can you just add the higher pressure pump downstream of the lower one?

By Ted (67.168.229.95) on Sunday, March 06, 2005 - 07:22 pm:

I'm running a Holley Red, it's a low volume pump compared to the Blue. I then have a pressure regulator after it just before the carb. The pump is a bit noisy, but I don't hear it at speed, just at idle. Mine is mounted in the engine bay, but I hear it's best to mount it near the tank so the pump pushes, rather than pulls. I've had no problems though.

By Andrew Fatseas (203.63.44.193) on Sunday, March 06, 2005 - 04:30 pm:

I'll post some photos once I've got it all set up. The carb is still at the carb shop anyway (they're taking their time)...

By Dana and Kyran (207.81.26.8) on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 09:52 pm:

Ted, what fuel pump are you useing as that is what we are going with for Kyran's car. Thanks Dana

By Ted (63.224.195.169) on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 01:20 pm:

Not a great shot of the throttle linkage, but you can see it:

I love the single Weber DCOE 40 with Cannon manifold. It makes the most of my old stock EB2 engine. Simple to tune, and is always reliable. If you have a stock engine, you must use the F7 emmulsion tubes. See Dr.Zoom's page for jetting a single DCOE40.

By Lemke (4.161.181.189) on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 07:43 am:

What are you guys talking about... I've run twin 45 DCOE's with 38mm chokes with no problems. Ok, Ok, different set of circumstances. Don't follow those Weber books and manuals too closely... that info is really old. If anyone needs any advice on jetting for a single, or dual setup, email me anytime. Also, I have a 40 DCNF carb and unfinished intake (same setup Malley ran in HP trim). If anyone is interested, I'll finish welding and porting it.

By Don (63.135.203.207) on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 05:13 am:

Ted / Andrew any pictures of the throttle arm on a DCOE/Canon intake setup? Still trying to figure out how to make the Dellorto/Canon setup work.

By Don (63.135.203.133) on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 05:55 am:

Mo you should ask Ted he has had a single DCoE on his driver for years I dont think he has any regrests its all in the way you set them up.

By Hugh Johnson (Oneson1) (144.138.198.14) on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 05:54 am:

A Mini motor is not comparable to a Civic motor except in terms of which one will make a better sea anchor!! (starts with M) a radically different port set up on those A series morris motors, (designed in the 20's and made with 20's technology) ie 2 ports for 4 valves on the inlet and 3 ports for 4 valves on the exhaust. Flat kidney shaped chambers with the valves running along the same axis as the crank. No similarity with civic motors at all.

I ran a 45 on a civic and as I had to choke the thing down to 34 mm, even with a "red hot" motor there was the question of turbulance from "choking" down from 45 mm to 34 mm. a 40 mm carbie smoothed out the lower range esp the transition from idles to mains as the air flow & air velocity through the 40 at lower power settings was better than the 45. Its true what you tell your girlfriend......bigger aint nessesarily better!!

hugh

By Don (63.135.203.133) on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 05:48 am:

the 45 can be used ... it will fit and for a race civic it would be great for a street one I would stick to a 40. The chokes "venturi" can be swapped out in a DCOE to make it seem smaller than it is but there is a recomened size range.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1903706750/103-7323262-6321461?v=glance

is a pretty good best side draft book I have so far

By go4mo (213.89.251.33) on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 03:21 am:

thanks andrew -- thanks don ..

i see the problem with the dells -- and yes, i've searched the site on this topic but am interested in further opinions as to jetting the DCOE 40 - and furthermore -- adapting the DCOE 45 to the civic -- in my weber book the 45 are listed for use on things such as the Mini 850 and 1000 rally - the 1000 cooper, the 1100 and 1100 rally kam cooper, 1275 cooper ..

if it can be used on these motors, why not the civic 1200? --

By Andrew Fatseas (203.63.44.193) on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 03:20 pm:

I'm actually having my 40 DCOE (bought from Don) rebuilt as we speak. Will let you know how it runs on the target engine (1255cc, cam, port work).

By Aryl (Aryl) (216.99.219.233) on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 12:21 pm:

lets not get on this again.
PLEASE!!!

By Darrell--Arizona-- (68.109.151.121) on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 11:45 am:

I don't know much about carburators except that I can't stand them. One reason why I got rid of my engine is because it had a carburator. I got tired of constantly adjusting my old carburator, points and timing. For me, fuel injection is the only way to go, or complete electric car conversion.

By Don (63.135.203.33) on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 06:41 am:

Use the DCOE I bought a dell and the throttle arm wont work with the manifold.

By go4mo (213.89.251.33) on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 06:19 am:

yep -- sweden is floating in DCOEs - everyone uses them to hop up their old volvos - problem is that they are all 45's -- i don't think they can be adapted for the wee civic without problem - please correct me if i'm wrong !!however, their are also plenty of old alfas with the DCOE40 -- but the intake is the problem ..

in designing and building my own intake, i'm really quite novice -- should i be sticking to a single, or dual dcoe 40? -
any suggestions where to start on that?

thanks

By Don (63.135.203.33) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 08:10 pm:

Thats Correct, The DGV has big problems when you start geting crazy in the corners. The DAT /DATR?DMTR are a better choice but it requires a Custom made adapter (I have the plans) Better yet is the sidedraft of your choice but manifolds can be hard to find.

By Puff (24.69.255.203) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 05:25 pm:

I like my weber to but (so Im told) it wasnt designed for a transversly mounted engine and thats what causes it to starve on right hand corners

By Kurt (205.250.75.226) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 03:35 pm:

Weber 32/36 with adapter plate. Easy to find and they are everywhere. Adapter plate can be ordered at most places for around $50

By Philip (Pikme) (67.42.24.90) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 02:03 pm:

I am having trouble with my stock carb on my 1975 honda civic 1200cc I am looking to put a weber on. But what I would like is everyones opinion/input on what is the best weber carb and what it takes in regards to convert over to a weber ect. Any input would be appreciated.