Dood, it is a Skunk2 Racing intake manifold for a B18C1/GSR motor. I'm trying to get rid of it for 250+ship... Also the second gen eclipse turbo is for sale. 225+ship.

;)

frito

By shreck (66.185.85.79) on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 04:36 pm:

Frito, what kind of intake manifold is that?

By Edgar F Sanchinelli (Frito) (63.105.29.199) on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 02:19 pm:

http://thenew.gamesbbs.com/~vassago/frito/PINCHEHALLOWEEN/MVC-093S.JPG

Hey guys the pic is in that link

more pics of it here

http://thenew.gamesbbs.com/~vassago/frito/PINCHEHALLOWEEN/MAVICA.HTM

take care,

Frito

By 79EK1 (63.195.80.15) on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 10:46 am:

Click on his name in the post previous to yours.

By lost (65.217.26.64) on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 08:33 am:

Frito what is you e-mail

By Edgar F Sanchinelli (Frito) (63.105.29.199) on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 12:02 am:

Shreck,

if you email me I'll post a pic here tommorrow.

Frito

thanks, sometimes i need reminder...

By shreck (66.185.85.79) on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 09:43 pm:

Does any one have a picture of the ones that were done in a group? Can you post them here.

Thanks

Shreck

By David Potts (63.225.93.8) on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:32 am:

Hey, I'm looking for an adjustuble cam gear. Does anyone sell one new for the 1200 eb2 engine?

By Edgar F. Sanchinelli (Frito) (63.105.29.199) on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:33 am:

I've been trying to see if a guy named "TJ" on http://hybrids.jp would make some for us...

I bet if we show some interest he would.

Francisco

By Jon (24.64.223.204) on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:11 pm:

Like this ?

By Jon (24.64.223.204) on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:16 pm:

Like This?

By David Potts (207.225.95.142) on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 10:55 pm:

Yah, like that!

By Brian Wilborn (Bwilborn) (12.233.249.220) on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:18 am:

Ignorant question here, but what does an adjustable cam gear give you over a non-adjustable one?

By 79EK1 (63.195.80.15) on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:57 am:

If you shave the head a lot, the cam timing is going to be off and the adjustable gear lets you time it correctly. Also, if you want to move the power band of the camshaft, you can advance or retard it a few degrees. Hope that helps.

By Mike S (202.12.144.21) on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 02:42 am:

Adjustable cam sprockets give you yet another thing to fiddle with allowing you to either improve or completely stuff up your engine! At the simplest level they allow you to ensure that the timing of the cam(s) is exactly to specification. It is possible for timing to be out due to machining tolerances (both in the cams and in the block & head) and also due to engine rebuilds where the head has been shaved and/or the block decked.

However it is also possible, through advancing and/or retarding the cams, to improve the power and flexibility of the engine - although only up to a point. In a single cam engine, advancing the cam will generally give an improvement in mid-range power at the cost of some top end. This is useful for rallying and some tight circuits. Conversely retarding the cam will give some slight improvement in top end at the cost of mid-range (sometimes used by drag-racers running into traction problems). The degree of benefit you obtain also depends on what the cam grind is to start with. It is possible to have cams ground with some advance to start with, so further advancing it produces no further mid range gain but more top end loss.

With twin cam engines, there is even more fun to be had since you can adjust each cam independently. The general approach is to advance the inlet cam (to improve mid range at the cost of top end) then retard the exhaust to try to get back some of what you lost on the top end, but without losing mid range.

Of course, this type of experimentation must be done with good knowledge of valve-to-valve-to-piston clearances and cam profiles, otherwise you risk valves hitting each other and/or the pistons, all of which is noisy, messy and ultimately expensive!

Generqally speaking advancing/retarding a few degress (say up to 6 or 8 **crankshaft** degrees)will give reasonable results (depending on the cam grind). Much beyond this tends to result in greater losses but no more gains in the relevant areas.

By Bryan (66.245.1.106) on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:37 am:

I'm getting ready to make a setup to machine a gear for my car. I am doing 1 other for another guy at the same time. If I can get some orders together, then it will make the cost lower. I will require your gear as a core. The cost will be $85 as of this writing.

By 79EK1 (63.195.80.15) on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 11:28 am:

Bryan, how soon will you be doing the work? I need my cam gear to run my car, and I'm wondering how much time I have to find a spare. Also, are you going to do 6 screws x 2 like the pic above, or 3 screws x 2, as I've seen in old catalogs? Thanks.

By Stefan Peters (Stpeters) (216.210.235.244) on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:07 pm:

Would a cam gear for a 1.8 engine be eligible?

By Greg Dunn (Greggearhead) (209.245.14.151) on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:57 pm:

I am interested if the price is lower (like $70 or less)

By Bryan (66.245.1.106) on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 03:00 pm:

I'm definately doing 6 screws in the middle, but the outside I haven't made up my mind yet. It really depends on how much material is there to put the screws into.

As far as the 1.8 goes.....it is a totally different breed and would require a different set-up.

I am not in that big of a hurry to do my gear, but if enough orders come through, then I will go ahead and do them. I am really busy here at the shop right now and need some time to catch up.

As far as the price goes.......the more I do, the less it will cost everyone. I am not making sh!# off these gears at $85. Everyone should realize that it will take some serious time to do these things. My shop rate is $65/hour and if I stop work to make these gears, then I will be working for about $10/hour.

I need to make fixturing to be able to modify the gears. It will take many hours to make the fixtures......just to be able to make 1 gear. It will come easier to make the rest after that, but will still take about 3-4 hours each after that.....At least that is what I have calculated.

By 79EK1 (63.195.80.15) on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 03:59 pm:

Thanks for the info on the gears Bryan. Unfortunately, mine too, is for a 1751. If you decide to make one for 1.8, I'll buy one.

By dennis (208.28.4.2) on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:39 pm:

Me too!

By Don (209.181.52.96) on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:43 pm:

If you flip that gear over you will see that its the stock gear cut on each of its six legs. Thats why the six screws in and out

By Bryan (209.187.165.130) on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:40 pm:

How many of you 1.8 guys are out there?

By 79EK1 (63.195.80.15) on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:43 pm:

There's me.

By Stefan Peters (Stpeters) (216.39.135.202) on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 09:54 pm:

Me, of course

By dennis (65.101.2.152) on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 06:04 am:

And me!

By Bryan (209.187.165.130) on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 06:59 am:

Do any one of you have an extra gear to send me?

By Ramon (207.5.2.130) on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:38 am:

1.8 here

By Bryan (66.32.106.86) on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 10:14 am:

so there's 4 of you 1.8 guys so far????

By 79EK1 (63.195.80.15) on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 10:27 am:

Bryan, I found a spare cam gear in my basement last night. I can ship it to you for evaluation, but at some point in the future, I'd like to get it back. Let me know if you want it and where to ship it.

Thanks.

By Stefan Peters (Stpeters) (216.210.235.243) on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 10:48 am:

I heard someone talking about about using a 1g integra crank gear and aftermarket cam gear on the 1.8s... Anyone have any leads?

By 79EK1 (63.195.80.15) on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 10:52 am:

My understanding is that the problem with the Integra gear is that is uses the rounded tooth belts intead of the square tooth. You have to change the cam and crank gears and find a belt that fits. Someone else may have better info than me.

By Bryan (66.32.106.86) on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 12:23 pm:

That should be not problem for you to get the gear back. ship it to

Maloof Racing, Inc.
2860-D Buford Hwy.
Duluth, Ga. 30096
770-622-4979

By dennis (208.28.4.2) on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 06:12 pm:

I've got a Venom Acura CL 3.0 adj. cam gear that fits my EK-1 cam perfectly but has rounded teeth. I found a rounded tooth crank gear but cannot find the correct belt. I admit I haven't searched all that hard, just at a couple of Honda shops. If anyone works at a NAPA or BAP maybe they can research this, is there a master list of aftermarket belt lenghts etc?

By Greg Dunn (Greggearhead) (63.211.244.235) on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 06:46 pm:

You might try Gates belts - there is a local machine shop that is "Gates Certified" whatever that means and they said they could get any belt Gates made, which apparently is impressive.

By Charles R (64.168.26.162) on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:36 pm:

Now, I haven't heard any mention of this yet in the thread, so I just want to make sure.

Remember, the crank HAS to turn EXACTLY twice for each one cam rotation. The number of teeth on the cam gear must be twice the number of teeth on the crank. If the 2:1 ratio is off by even one tooth, the results will not be good at all.

If everyone knows this already, just consider me a meddling mom.

By Mark Grump Motorsport (203.5.217.4) on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:13 am:

Some thoughts on this from an Aussie.I had started to do something similar before i saw these pictures (always get distracted by other projects) but i have gone down a different path.Cleaned up front and rear surfaces in a lathe and made a rear plate with helicoils just in case the threads strip from the cast pulley.I am intending to use dome headed socket head metric screws to give more head coverage over the adjustment slots.Any thoughts on my methods would be appreciated.
Mark W in South Australia

By Jacob Ensign (Jacob) (12.224.121.67) on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 02:00 am:

D:\My Pictures\Civies
Cam Gear 4

By Jacob Ensign (Jacob) (12.224.121.67) on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 02:01 am:

CNC Machines are fun (Big Smiley Face)



And People with rivet guns aren't (sorry Justin)

By Greg Dunn (Greggearhead) (209.244.76.50) on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 08:09 am:

So Jacob, are the alum-center pulley pics for a 1200 or CVCC or 1800 or what? Nice design BTW.

By Jacob Ensign (Jacob) (12.224.121.67) on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 08:15 am:

1200, I'd mass produce them for everybody (including CVCC and 1800) if I had full-time access to the CNC. Unfortunately I can only get to it once-in-a-while.

By David Potts (207.225.94.251) on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 09:22 am:

Jacob it Looks great! Bryan, can you produce something like Jacob's design? I like the looks of his. I need to find a spare cam gear to send to you. Any spares around? Price?

By Ted (63.224.195.169) on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 10:37 am:

Very nice work Jacob. How's your injection model coming?

By Jacob Ensign (Jacob) (12.224.121.67) on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:46 pm:

Still collecting parts on the Fuel Injection. I haven't got the motor back from the machinist yet either. I've been doing little stuff while money allows. Strut-tower tops for cage mounting, seatmounts, mold for fiberglass dash, just little stuff, oh yeah, and a cam gear.
Oh, I'll try to get the drawing of the gear setup with all the dimensions and such, incase anybody else wants to give it a go.

By Edgar F. Sanchinelli (Frito) (63.105.29.199) on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 02:43 pm:

Jacob, would Kyle want my CVCC and that CVCC mtr I bought from you? I'd probably get rid of it for a little less than I paid you for the mtr...

Also, I'd like to talk to you about those cam gear.

Francisco

By Eric (Eric) (205.188.196.28) on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 08:03 pm:

Here's a thought for everyone on the rounded/square belt issue: why not just get the teeth on the rounded gear cut to suqared? Anyone know how difficult that would be? Jacob, think you could be persuaded to sell us each your CNC program so we could get gears machined locally?

By dennis (65.101.3.154) on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 09:44 pm:

To Charles R- the pullys I have are identical in # of teeth to my stock stuff.

By Jacob Ensign (Jacob) (12.224.121.67) on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 12:46 am:

Eric,
I see that as a possibility. The only drawback I see is that as I understand it, pretty much every CNC machine has a different operating system. If each one of you wanted to hunt down a machine shop locally, and find out what program they run. There's a decent chance I can put it into that language. It's just a middleman program (MasterCam). It's got upward of 60 programs that you can convert the file to. Or, I can send the file in ProEngineer (CAD-like program), and the rest might be taken care of by the machinist.
If all else fails, I could send out the part drawing with all dimensions and you could hand it to the machinist and he/she could go from there.
Frito,
I'm kind of thinking Kyle has passed that little car thing. But, there's always a chance, drop him a line.

By errol (64.12.96.44) on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:15 pm:

Hey Kids, The 1g 'teg' cam gear looks, smells, walks the same as the cvcc cam gears. Also with the crank gear, So all that is needed is a timing belt that has the same tooth count as the square belt found on the cvcc's
In super street, I've seen adjustably teg cam gears for about 90.00US

By Bryan (209.187.165.130) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 06:53 pm:

the only way I can make the alum inner hub is to start the process on my lathe and hand machine it on my rotary table in the bridgeport mill. It can be done, but will take some time. The hardest part is to broach the keyway on the inside.......in the correct location. It would look trick guys, but not be any different than what I will make for myself, and a lot less work.

By 79EK1 (63.195.80.15) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 04:30 pm:

Bryan,

The EK1 cam gear is on it's way. You should get it on Friday. Thanks.

By quikrick (63.204.16.66) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:15 pm:

Bryan, if youre keeping track, count me in on the cam gear... 1.8
Iv'e been away on vacation for the last couple of weeks.

By Eric (Eric) (216.78.41.59) on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 05:13 pm:

Hello Everyone.

I have a new thought on adjustable gears... A friend of mine has an A2 GTI with an adjustable gear, and its just the stock gear cut into two pieces with a plate over it that has slots that allow it to be turned for advance. It sounds simple enough... just cut the middle out of the gear, drill some holes in the ribs, and make a round plate with slots to go between the halves of the stock gear......

By Andrew Fatseas (203.63.44.193) on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 05:46 pm:

Sounds simple, but difficult for two reasons:

The amount of material left to drill and tap in the old cam gear is small and fiddly.

The plate that you make up must have all the holes in exactly the right spots for the centre piece otherwise the gear will wobble.

Difficult without all the right tools and setup.

By Bryan (209.187.165.130) on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 06:20 pm:

Eric that is the way I will make the gears, but it needs to be done on a precision machine....a Bridgeport mill to be exact.

79 EK, I have not recieved your gear yet.

By 79EK1 (63.195.80.15) on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 08:20 pm:

Bryan, I hope you found the gear. I checked the UPS tracking number and it says it was delivered on Friday at 11:19 am. Please let me know one way or the other. Thanks.

As a side note to the last few comments. Couldn't the plate be made to fit inside the gear, the holes drilled and tapped, and then the gear spokes cut? Wouldn't that keep everything inline and centered if the plate orientation isn't changed? I'm not a machinist, so my thinking is probably flawed. I just like to understand how things are made.

By Bryan (209.187.165.130) on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 06:31 pm:

I have the gear, the UPS driver put it in a wierd place........he never puts stuff there!

By Stefan Peters (Stpeters) (216.210.235.244) on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:34 am:

I saw this picture and thought it might provide some inspiration... wonder how hard it would be to "multi index" (far left gear in pic) the stock gear?

By Bryan (66.245.5.1) on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:43 am:

If you look at a stock 1200 gear you will see a small hump in the inside area where the key way is cut I think it might weaken the gear to broach a new key slot in the other areas.

By Greg Dunn (Greggearhead) (65.58.61.56) on Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:48 am:

Not enough to make a difference. Larger, heavier gears have been done like that with a 4 degree advance and a 4 degree retard keyway. The other option is offset keys. I have run across these over the years but never found the source. A Mercedes mechanic working on a 4.5 V8 was the last I saw using them. Nice part about those is there would be no additional rotational mass, no chance for slipping, easy install, and the same key could be used for advance or retard. Also looks stock if you are into cheating ;)

By errol (152.163.204.57) on Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:34 am:

Hey kids, I was told that Your local Chrysler dealer can order some offset keys for the 2.2 engines. I was told they work, but never tried.

By Yellowcivic (207.225.95.198) on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:14 am:

Here is my cam gear in progress I have it now running in my car. Was an easy modification to the original. I have a mini-lathe and it only took a few hours.

By quikrick (63.204.16.66) on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 01:15 pm:

OK all you EK1 guys (and Bryan):
Both of these cam gears are off of a 1981 US EK1 head. Why the difference in spoke style? I don't know! But I did get both heads from the junkyard... Both are identical as far as teeth, timing marks, diameter, etc. It might be easier to modify that one (on left) it looks more like the 1200 gear, it has more meat between spokes.
I don't know which style 79EK1 sent you Bryan, but I would be willing to send you one of mine.


PS the cam gear off of a ED3 head looks the same as the EK1 gear on the left.

By Bryan (216.175.78.74) on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 02:20 pm:

The one on the left is the one EK sent me.

By quikrick (63.204.16.66) on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 02:52 pm:

Here are a couple of closer shots of each gear.

By bruce (Bruce) (66.20.228.34) on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 04:31 pm:

ok, I was cruisin around for a company that might still have headers for my cvcc and edelbrock still lists a timing chain set for the 70's 1200 and cvcc, they are both the same part number and are adjustable 10 degrees. you guys been talking about making them, might be able to still get them from edelbrock. part #4720

By Stefan Peters (Stpeters) (216.210.235.242) on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 04:54 pm:

It's the same one listed for the newer (1992) Civic 1.6L... which means round teeth. Funny, it is also listed for the EK1 engines. Bryan, how similar is the EK1 gear to the 1200 one?

By bruce (Bruce) (66.20.228.34) on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 05:02 pm:

it was a timing chain set though, not a timing belt? Don't know if the chain came with the set.

By 79EK1 (63.195.80.15) on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 05:27 pm:

I checked out different models from 73-85 on the Edelbrock website, and it listed the same gear for all of them. I think it's probably not the right one for any of our cars.

I ordered the Mopar offset cam keys yesterday, and they should be in on Wednesday. I'm going to make them fit and see what happens. I'll let you guys know how it turns out.

By bruce (Bruce) (66.20.228.34) on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 05:37 pm:

I couldn't really tell ya to be honest, but been sort of watching this to see how it goes, I guess the best way would be to get a set and see, but ya it seems sort of odd that from 73-85 would be the same, but who knows???????????? Oh and Jacob, it looks like you are having way to much fun at work playing...............keep it up

By Bryan (209.187.165.130) on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 05:42 pm:

The 2 gears are totally different in size.....by maybe 1.5 in. They have the same teeth though. Timing chain??? If it is a chain, I wonder how they would keep it lubricated. hummmm