Need Help, Motor wont start after disassembly

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By Darrell--Arizona-- (68.109.151.121) on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 07:21 am:

It sounds like everything is right. I used to take the distributor out and carefully put it back on the next tooth. You'll see that the rotor will be in a slightly different position.

Put the cap back on and start the car.

If the it doesn't start, try everything over again. After several times, eventually you'll try every tooth on the distributor gear so it should start.

Better yet....use a timming light. :) If you're timming is off, you'll see your timming marks way out of wack. If it is out of wack, then you can suspect your distributor is out of wack. The distributor connects to the camshaft, but you can still have the distributor aligned to the crankshaft, if the distributor is on the wrong gear. What I'm saying is that your timming belt might be on wrong and you could be losing compression and the light would still flash correctly. So check your belt, and distributor.

Almost everytime I put on a timming belt, I first put it on wrong. For some reason camshaft is one tooth off, so I have to put on over again. Anyway, a timming light should lead you in the right direction.

By bruce (63.26.71.139) on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 04:52 am:

the blue on is for the tac, I don't know a lot about the 1200 wiring, was there a resistor by the coil when you first started? black wire could be for that. also one hooked over there for the radio, suppose to supress the engine noise from the radio, my wires are blue for that one. hope this helps a little. should start though with those not hooked up. don't know what year 1300 you put in but the 84-87 rotates clockwise, not counterclockwise.

By Kellyp (Kellyp) (4.152.222.201) on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 05:35 pm:

Ok tried the 180 phase idea, still wont start. Is there a wiring issue Im missing. Here is a pic of some wires I cant find in any diagram, I think some go to emissions crap I took off initially. the wires are 2 whites ones to a connector, 1 blue wire w/male bullet, and 2 black wires with male/female bullets respectively. Do I need these? thanks
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By Kellyp (Kellyp) (4.152.222.201) on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 05:10 pm:

Ok tried the 180 phase idea, still wont start. Is there a wiring issue Im missing. Here is a pic of some wires I cant find in any diagram, I think some go to emissions crap I took off initially. the wires are 2 whites ones to a connector, 1 blue wire w/male bullet, and 2 black wires with male/female bullets respectively. Do I need these? thanks
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By Kellyp (Kellyp) (4.152.198.55) on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 03:29 pm:

Thanks everyone,
I believe I have everything right, I have the Hanynes, Honda factory book, and the How to keep your honda alive book as well. From what I can read, Its all correct. The 1342 firing order is going to those plugs/cylinders, and yes Ive done the finger over the hole trick to find TDC to set lash.
OK so let me ask you this. When finding TDC, find #1 on the comp stroke, put the crank timing mark on the 0* mark, not 5* BTDC, and then put the rotor/dizzy smack dab in the middle of #1 mark (I used white out to mark #1 on dizzy) and then fire it up?
Now when you say side/ramp, what does this mean and how do I know that?
Should I do what I just wrote up but then line up 180* out and put it smack dab at #4 on cap instead of #1? I will let you know what happens. Thanks so much...

By thebige73@yahoo.com (Ejl2002) (68.72.89.198) on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 05:01 am:

Try placing your rotor 180 degress from it's current position, it sounds like that is what is off. Remember your crank spins twice before the cam turns 1 revolution. The other way to insure your are on top dead center for number one cylinder is to remove the number one plug, have someone tap the motor over one little click at a time while you press your finger over the plug hole, when you get the blast of compression, rotate the motor slightly to get the timming marks in place, and then set you distributor to number 1. Remember to disconnect your coil wire also before this so you don't get zapped. Hope this helps.

Eric

By Hugh Johnson (Oneson1) (144.138.198.120) on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 02:57 am:

not only that, but are you on the correct side/ramp of the dissy cam with your points?

hugh

By Colza (Colza) (210.54.193.175) on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 02:25 am:

I think hes trying to say: are your plug leads in the right order...

By Hugh Johnson (Oneson1) (144.138.198.120) on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 02:11 am:

what is the direction of rotation of a honda motor? anti clock unlike most others, so your dissy will rotate clockwise. if you set up for the more usual opposite rotation you wont get nothin when you spin her up. guess how I know??!!!!

hugh

By Kellyp (Kellyp) (4.152.84.160) on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 08:59 pm:

Hello all, I need your help
Sorry for the long post but please read... I have been dismantling my 79 1200 project car to do the 1300 stroker swap, 5 speed swap and various restoration work and then my main ride threw a rod. So I had to flail and get the whole 79 back together so I have a car. The car got back together fine except for trying to put the motor/trans in with just a floorjack. Frustrating. My problem now is that it wont start. I will crank, it has fuel (weber 32/36) spark at the plugs (Optima red top/accel coil) and all the timing marks line up and rotor smack dab at #1 plug on comp stroke, points set to 20 thous, plugs gapped to 35 thou. Valve lash has be set. While cranking it will atempt to start (it will speed up for 1 rotation then just crank.
Now what do I check next? I have taken the dizzy out about 100 times to adjust,checked and rechecked everything, and Im completely frustrated. I have fuel and spark just need timing right? Is it the wiring somewhere? Help me...


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