Justin - you read my mind

By Adrian (Evocivic) (203.42.97.141) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 04:01 pm:

Sorry, shouldn't have said turbo and nitrous "won't work" (I know it can), just wanted to make a simple point rather than trying to explain why it would be too risky and expensive to think about. I should have said "don't do it unless you KNOW what are doing!"

By malcon pierce (Project79) (68.63.18.219) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 09:57 am:

sorry about last night. but im having a rough time at home. my dad is very sick and im staying up all nights of the week. so i was in a strang mood. i didnt mean to "loose me cool" anyway i know you guys are just trying to help me out. so yeah im sorry.

By Justin (24.83.36.138) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 09:09 am:

Anybody remember the andrew threads? This sounds like it's going that way

By Bryan (66.245.115.183) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 08:24 am:

Actually.....turbo and nitrous will work together if set up properly. I have several clients that have it set up to run nitrous at low rpm's before the boost builds up......it makes up for turbo lag when you run a large turbo. However, these engines make over 1200hp.

They are Supra turbo engines that will FLY. I machine many of these engines for folks. They run a 300 hp shot of the line and then the boost kicks in.

Gosh Adrian.....I have never seen anyone tell you to "shut up!"

Adrian is right though........start out simple because............he is right. He has built too many to count and has years of experience on you!

Malcon,
You make it complicated with all your questions.....but then seem to know the answers in the end. In your first thread, you came back to the same quesions over and over, even after they had been answered.

By greg tingler (Tropic81) (141.153.93.43) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 07:54 am:

Malcomb:

I don't have any experience w/ the 1200, but these guys are right. If you seriously want to build an engine to beat a Mustang you have to consider other engine options. I'm not saying it is not possible to build a 1200 like you want, but I'm sure it isn't practical. If you read my "just curious" post you will see all the mods I made to a 1751 EK1 and I still could never beat a Mustang although I was thinking along the same terms as you when I built it some 13 years ago. While I'd like to keep my EK1 in my Prelude I'm forced to go with an H22 or something else if I want it to have the power and reliability I'm seeking.

By Canada76civic (Canada76civic) (68.146.162.88) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 07:16 am:

Malcon, I read your thread with great interest from the beginning. There is something I must tell you and it is with no offense between you and me.

Plainly speaking of engines...the 1200 engines don't have enough strength and power to match the "Mustangs" you so badly want to race. I had owned a '80 Mustang with a '84 5.0 dropped in there before and it was fast more than enough with little modding up on that engine! If doing in 'hopping up' a 1200 engine...that's a whole another story, as it require a lot more of parts for that.

I know what I said as I had quite a few older cars and all were V8s. My Honda car will never match them in speed on roads and that I know well. Like Adrian said, it takes a LOT of mooha and look very deep for rare high-preformance parts for 1G-2G Civics. It's not like I can go to any parts store and tell a blank-face clerk what I need for my Civic! I actually have better chance getting for my Dodge 340 V-8 engine with vintage 1969 parts (that should tell you something).

I am going to rebuild a spare 1200 engine I have at work and if I'm lucky to get at least 100 hp on it, I'm happy more than enough.

I hope you can understand that it also does TAKE TIME to gather what you need for your engine. The Honda Civics weren't that popular in '70s in North America for racing while in other countries where they were far more popular and that is where the parts go to. Don't get frustasted in yourself, you just need to think another way to find more power for your car - the 1200 engine isn't the only option, ya know?

Again, with great respect for all of us here. We're trying to help you with advice given here.

By Adrian (Evocivic) (203.42.97.141) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 01:27 am:

In this thread you wrote "my problem is i am on a tite budget" (sic). How can you have a fat (i.e. plenty of space on it) credit card if you are on a tight budget?

By Chaffneue (Chaffneue) (66.183.190.188) on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 01:11 am:

haha.. umm.. the way to garner respect in any scene is to show respect to those who've been around the stuff and listen closely to what is said. No one likes a cat with an opinion. GTO's really aren't complicated either given that you know what you're doing. You may want to find a CRX or late model civic written off in a junkyard with all this rice racer chit in it already and just get it swapped and done with.. the 1200 motor as it sits is a little hard to get more than 200 horsepower out of, plus it's hard to get rebuild parts for. If you've never dealt with nitrous before, you should really look into what it takes and what engine bits are necessary and what the possible consequences would be of overstressing your motor. Adrian actually gave you the info you need. What else are you expecting? If you keep acting like a petulant child, no one's going to help you out..

-Richard

-Richard

By malcon pierce (Project79) (68.63.18.219) on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 10:15 pm:

shut up! oh my god these cars arnt that complex. im having to build a 67 gto and thats alot more complicated than a 79 civic 1200. im just doing this for fun. you guys do nothing much tell me how much its going to cost and how hard its going to be. i dont care about how hard. i dont belive in starting simple... thats for the weak man. and yeah i do have a "fat credit card...sorry but im really frustrated at the moment

By Adrian (Evocivic) (203.42.97.141) on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 05:40 pm:

I thought you were already told turbo and nitrous wasn't going to work.

Got a fat credit card? It's going to cost a bucket-load to build a reliable turbo motor. You'll want to start with some good pistons ($500 - $1000). Standard rods will be ok for low boost. Deck and o-ring the block. Balance the bottom end. Rebuild and make sure the head is flat. Get a good head gasket. Get an exhaust and all the intake plumbing made etc. etc.

This is your first car right? ... Start simple! Just rebuild the 1200 with a mild cam, cleaned up ports, exhaust and a Weber (or RS twins if you can afford them). It should be reliable and relatively cheap. Then play with the suspension and brakes to get it to handle before you try to stick any serious horsepower in it.

By malcon pierce (Project79) (68.63.18.219) on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 04:50 pm:

so im taking apart me engine and starting the rebuild. im going to just rebuild the 1200 just because im tired of the car not running. im going to take the bottom end to the engine shop in a few weeks if possable. what do you guys recomend i get done. i want best performance, but it has to be strong because of turbo and nitrous (25 shot) so yeah. plus what kind of cam do i have to get? i mean i cant just get the right size and order what lift and whatnot from somp cams or somthing? and i would like to go 5 speed. what trasmission if you guys had best luck with that works with the 1200 eb3. thanks alot